Nick Walker - My Walk with God

A lot of small business owners know the feeling of grinding for the next win while quietly wondering why it still doesn’t feel secure. I sit down with Nick Walker to talk about what changed when he stopped letting a job title define him, sold his detailing business, and started living from a different foundation: identity, sonship, and a real relationship with God. The result isn’t “less ambition.” It’s clearer purpose, steadier peace, and a life that doesn’t collapse when plans change.

We get practical about what that looks like day to day. Nick shares how the secret place (a quiet prayer closet rhythm of Scripture and listening) trains you to recognize God’s voice, and how guilt, shame, and condemnation can drown that out. He also tells stories from outreach where words of knowledge and simple prayer open conversations with strangers in normal places like stores and malls. If you’ve ever wondered whether spiritual gifts are real, or how to step out without feeling weird, you’ll get an honest look at the learning curve.

We also dig into religion versus relationship, why performance-based faith burns people out, and how a renewed view of righteousness changes the way you see yourself and others. This is a conversation about Christian leadership, marketplace ministry, and spiritual growth that can reshape the way you show up at work, at home, and in your community.

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Transcript

Welcome And Nick’s Big Shift

Tammy Hershberger 0:01

Welcome to the Light of Your Business Podcast, the show where we dive deep into the world of small businesses. I'm your host, Tammy Hershberger, and each episode we'll bring you inspiring stories, expert insights, and practical tips to help your small business thrive. Whether you're an entrepreneur just starting out or a seasoned business owner, this podcast is your go-to source for success in the small business world. Let's get started. Hi everyone, I want to welcome you back to Light Up Your Business Podcast. Uh, I am Tammy Hirschberger, and today we have a special guest, Nick Walker. How are you doing, Nick?

Nick Walker 0:35

Great. How are you?

Tammy Hershberger 0:36

Good. Um, it's been a while since you've been on. I don't even know how long, but I will tell you things have changed a little bit.

Nick Walker 0:43

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 0:44

Do you want to share the change?

Nick Walker 0:46

Definitely. I can last time, oh, it's probably a year and a half ago. Um we were in Walker's Mom with detailing. That was last year, actually, yes. Was it last year? Yeah. Okay. 2025. We sold May 2025. Uh, we got out of that. That was after a uh a power in love in Montrose that we went to. Um, we were doing great. We got a shop like we wanted to in the last podcast. I hear there's some people that that actually ran that podcast back and they were like, whoa, to see how you've changed from that in your vision with things.

Tammy Hershberger 1:19

I'm like, I bet I'm gonna have to rewatch that or re-listen to it.

Nick Walker 1:24

Um, but I last year I went to Power and Love, um, and that's Todd White's uh events that they go on for his schooling uh back in that was in Montrose uh back in April, and that he actually ripped the identity of a detailer out of a business owner thinking that's what secured me, thinking that's what my my life was for. And he was like, I did not call you to a detailer, um but he actually revealed sonship to me, and that was one thing that was prophesied over me at Power and Love was that I was gonna I was gonna understand sonship, and I was like, what the heck? And then I didn't know that the last night of that, I felt an insane call to actually go to his school, and so I started that last August. Um yeah, August 2025, yes. And so I have about eight weeks left in that. That's it, yeah. That was nine months.

Tammy Hershberger 2:26

Because I remember, and I won't go too far in this, but coaching you, and I had started Bible school in July, and I got inspired. I mean, you kind of was like when you said it, I was like, oh, that's interesting. And then the Lord just whacked me with mine, and I saw it on Facebook and I'm like, I have to do this, and it was so weird because coming from my past, that was like a joke. Like we'd be like, if someone said you should apply to church to work, I'd be like, I ain't working in a church, that's crazy. Only weirdos work there, right? And now I'm so in love with the Lord. And so when you said that, I remember you kind of had some hesitation about like just getting going and now look at you. That's it, eight weeks. Yeah, to give them first shouldn't believe that.

Nick Walker 2:58

I know that's wild. And I'm and I'm praying into a second year, but that is yeah, radically changed my life. And so we are we are totally done with detailing, obviously, not fully. I'm gonna start detailing Tammy's cars again. Praise Jesus! But yes, I I quit detailing and then I went to metal building sales. Uh, sales was interesting. That was hard to keep up with, especially commission based. But and then I got into part-time at the barnyard, absolutely loved it. And then I hopped on full-time, and now I'm the best shed builder they have here.

Tammy Hershberger 3:31

Uh at where? The barnyard. Who's the best boss?

Nick Walker 3:37

John or Tammy, I mean.

Tammy Hershberger 3:38

Well, that's a good answer, but who paid you? Tammy, Tammy. No, I mean who paid you in the break room? Dan.

Outreach Groups And Real Encounters

Nick Walker 3:44

Oh, damn. Oh, yeah. You better get your dollars worth, Dan. Dan, that's right. Shed sun on YouTube. Um, anyways. So sorry. Um yes, I and then I hopped into the barnyard and I have uh went to yes, started school, and then from there we just I have loved it here. And then I'm uh starting Walker Faith, which is a uh marketplace ministry that uh selling apparel and I'm getting into uh online presence. That's questionable right now, but and then when it start events and just outreach and we have different groups. Um that's one thing I really loved is outreach. That is one thing with my walk with Christ is he he was targeting the lost and the people out there, and so we get groups together. Um I have a men's group on Thursdays, and then we have young adults on Mondays, and every about every two weeks, uh twice a month, our young adults group, we get a group together, those who feel that they actually have something to give, because if you're so new in your faith, you can feel as though I'm just as I'm just as bad off as that lost person. Like my life's not any better than theirs, so I can't give anything. But until you understand your identity and righteousness and the Holy Spirit in you, what you can actually give and what you have, um, it is so much easier. And that just I think as you mature, you grow into whoa, people need what I have, and that's been huge in me. And so we go out, uh, we just love on people, but also we've seen the prophetic word of knowledge as some healings come up in that that we've seen, and we're like, Whoa, what the heck? It's interesting that Jesus shows himself and Holy Spirit manifests himself when you actually go out and do what he told you to do.

Tammy Hershberger 5:28

Do you have any stories you can share of that manifestation that you're willing to share or can share?

Nick Walker 5:34

Yeah, we've had I think once we went into well, the the most the awesome one, the first time I ever actually received a award of knowledge for somebody, it was in a TJ Maxx, and I saw this, I walk in, and I just wait for the Lord to highlight somebody to me. And we we go in there, and I look at this lady and she has a blue shirt on, and immediately I'm just like, okay, I think that's the lady. But I walk around, I'm kind of like, I don't know if I want to approach her, you know. First person is always the hardest, and then you get in a groove of it of like, no, this is what I need to do. So I saw her, we wander around the store a little bit, and then I was like, I have to go back to that lady. And she actually was a Baptist, and so which is kind of funny because when we talked to her, it was like a Las Vegas billboard in my mind. I saw the word son and I saw the word health, and I was like, Do you have a son? She was like, Yeah. I was like, Does he have health problems? She goes, She was like, he's been in the hospital three times this year now for something, asthma, he's young, and I was like, Wow, she goes, Did you sense that or something? I was like, Yeah, yeah, I I don't know how, but I just I saw it and I was like, Wow, that's interesting. Um, and that was the first example I had a Holy Spirit talking to me, but then I was able to pray for her, pray for her husband. Um But what was funny was I don't think Baptists believe in that, and so that probably gave her a whirlwind of probably how did this random guy just know something about me, but that's what they're for. It pierces it, uh pierces their hearts so the gospel can actually come in and it just destroys any belief you've had. It's like that shouldn't you shouldn't know something about me like that. Yeah, uh we've seen that open up, but that we've gone to the mall a few times um and that's been I mean that's been fun. I think we we pray for a lot of people, which is awesome. Uh we actually get which is odd, a lot of Christians rejecting us. But let's see, last one, I know these two old ladies, which is kind of funny.

Tammy Hershberger 7:43

Wait, did you just say sorry, did you just say a lot of Christians reject you? Yeah, yeah, okay. I thought I I want to hit that, but keep going.

Nick Walker 7:49

Okay. We had these two old ladies actually in Dillard's. Um I go there and I'm like, oh, we should probably talk to them. And I was with my buddy Elijah, and he he was like, we pass him, and I was like, Oh, they're just standing right there. We go there and I'm like, man, I really feel that that lady had a creative personality.

Tammy Hershberger 8:06

And we go over there, and she's all like poppy, and she's you know, just and you couldn't tell by looking at her, she wasn't covered in tattoos, green hair, like sometimes those are creative people, it just she looked normal.

Nick Walker 8:17

Yeah, that was an older lady, got it.

Tammy Hershberger 8:19

And I'm I'm not sure.

Nick Walker 8:21

She didn't they didn't look anything special or anything, but we go over there and I'm like, hey, we or my buddy Elijah actually actually got to talk to them, and they were what uh one was Catholic and the other was just a Christian, and they were so excited to to have someone approach them like that. And it's funny, both of their right rotator cuffs, both of them had the same problem. Interesting, and so we got to pray over both of them. Okay, um, and I'm not sure if that's a hundred percent, but I know we left something because they were so appreciative, they felt so much better. Um and then I got to talk to that lady and I was like, Hey, I really feel like you have a very creative personality, and the Lord just loves that. She goes, Yeah, I uh that's that's kind of true. It's like I love sitting with him and doing puzzles. And I was like, nice, okay, that's cool. And we talked to them for a little bit. We haven't seen any anything crazy, um, but we have seen, you know, my brother Kenneth has had word of knowledge for people. And when that happened, that's what we're seeing open up the most, because also in our groups now we're having uh kind of prophetic activations and trainings that we're doing. Um because who am I to keep what I'm learning just to myself, especially in school, and when you start to tap into that, it's like, no, let me you can do the exact same thing as me, and we need it, especially for the unbeliever. And so we have seen them also seen visions for people. Um I think when we when we approach people, we always we always listen to it, but I think it's it's mainly the message and the testimony of the cross that we're sharing, because that's what changes people, not the wisdom of man, as as Paul says in in 1 Corinthians 4, I think it is. Is do not come with the wisdom of man, but come preaching Christ crucified. Yeah. That's what's gonna be.

Tammy Hershberger 10:13

Yeah, it's what brings a man to repentance, yeah. Exactly. Definitely. That's why I always struggle when you see these people, it's like you need to turn or you're gonna burn, or they just present this kind of gross, like, you have to do it because you're gonna be punished. And it's like, I don't want to deal. I mean, we already feel punished enough, you know what I mean, with the stuff and shame and all the things you're experiencing. And I don't like that approach. I'm like, I would rather tell you what the truth is and how much God loves you. You know what I mean? Because people, I mean, you hear it, but we don't get it really, because it's like, oh, I messed up yesterday, or I told I did something wrong there, and it's like then you just beat yourself up for that, and then you think, well, I'm not worthy, he's not gonna forgive me. Because we look at people and how we react to that stuff, and we're we're not we're transactional in our relationships, which is terrible, and God is not that way.

Learning To Hear God Clearly

Nick Walker 10:52

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 10:53

So can you tell me? Because I have not yet had that experience that you've had where it's like a word of knowledge. Do you think it's just obedience or really opening yourself up to that option of like I want to do that? Because that because the talking to people scares me. So, how do you get to that? Because I mean, I mean, I'm not jealous, but like I'm like, man, I've never gotten that. I'd like to know what that's like.

Nick Walker 11:12

Yeah, well, yeah, don't. There's some people that are like, how I can't do that. What's up with you? What's so you know, you see Jonathan Shuttleworth, you guys like, or Todd White. Yeah, and people are just like, how the heck? If I want a word, I need to go to something here. It's like, no, he's just had a lot more practice in it. It's a muscle. Yeah. So you have to work it. Number one, it's hearing the voice of God for yourself in the secret place, how important that actually is. But I don't think you can understand the voice of God for yourself until you remove yourself, which is guilt, shame, condemnation, and your sin. Because if I go to God every single time and I call it the secret place, guess what Jesus called it? He went into a solitude place and prayed to his father in heaven.

Tammy Hershberger 11:54

That is so huge. When you say that for laymans that are maybe listening, is that just a quiet place, your prayer closet, whatever? Like, is that what you mean? Yeah, yeah, prayer closet. Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Walker 12:02

Something like that. You go to a solitary place and and you are just you're with him there. And that ability to come to him and not have to present all of my sin, because if Hebrews 10, 17, all your trespasses and lawless deeds I will remember no more. If I come to him with something that he's totally forgiven and forgotten, it doesn't really matter to him. Yeah. Because there's grace has covered the entire thing. Once I realized that, I was like, Well, I can come to him in and just pour my heart out. I mean, you can intercede for people, adoration is amazing. But then anyone praying, praying defined in one word is just listening. You sit there and you listen. What is God saying to me? It's even asking him questions are like, Lord, what do you want me to ask you? I do that a lot. And sometimes it's like, how how does he want me to love him today? And it's it's never a task, it's a heart posture when I'm doing something. Yeah. And once I got free from guilt, shame, and condemnation, and my sin was, I understood the revelation of sin that he's forgiven it from when I was born to when I die, he's forgiven it all and he's freed me from it. So there's nothing in between our relationship. But if I want to sit there and show him my sin, it would then there's a breaking point in our relationship because I'm bringing him something that he forgot about. Yeah, he's already forgiven and taken care of. Yeah. So that right there, if you don't get that out and the revelation of sonship, we're actually sons and daughters of God, sons and daughters of God. In Ephesians 1, we've been adopted into sonship. We've been adopted into the name Jesus. If we can grasp onto that, then we can be removed and he can actually communicate with us. Because my mind is not then set on everything I've ever done. Yeah. Everything that's wrong with me, but it's actually set on him. And I can start to hear his voice for myself. And if I can hear it in my secret place, then when I go out, I'm then others focused, and I can hear his voice for others. Because the prophetic is God's heart for other people, but I can't tap into it until I know his heart for me.

Sonship Over Guilt And Shame

Tammy Hershberger 14:17

And I don't know the scripture, but where it says, uh, my sheep will know my voice. Yeah. Right. And he has a still small voice. And I think that's the thing, is like you were saying earlier, you talk to him, but then you get quiet. Because I think some people don't do that. It's like, I need this and I need that, and I'm struggling here, and blah blah blah. I had a friend that I used to talk to about God, and uh he would say to me, I never hear from him. I'm like, Well, A, are you spending any time with him? Are you reading the because I he can speak to you through prayer on the inside, like you're talking about? He can speak through the word of God. I mean, the word of God is him. I mean, that is him talking to you. And so I'm like, are you doing any of this? No. Well, it's like, okay, then you're not really. It's like you and me, I mean, as co-workers, if I never come talk to you at your workstation or at break, we're gonna have no relationship because I've never even spent any time with you. And then I'm gonna say, well, he doesn't talk to me. Well, it's no because I put no effort in, right? And so I think it's really important to have that relationship, which is what you're talking about. And even obviously I can do better than that because I have yet to have this cool experience you're having. But I think that's really great. So can you tell me more about the sonship? I mean, you've kind of went to a little bit, but like, what does that bring with it? Because I like what you're saying. Like, if I have this paper here and I every time I sit with you and I'm like, well, these are the transgressions, my sins, and I want to bring it up every time. And you're like, you're looking at because you're God and you've washed that clean, you've been forgiven, you know, you're not whatever. And I just keep bringing this up and you're like, but there's nothing on there. Like, how do people get that revelation of like these are gone? Because it just sounds too good to be true.

Nick Walker 15:39

Yeah, it would have to be the full understanding of the gospel, and sadly, most preachers don't touch on that what Christ crucified actually was that on the cross. I I like to think when Jesus got off the cross and he was rose and he rose from the uh rose from the grave, the cross, I think there was like burned in, guilt, shame, condemnation, sin, uh chastisement, diseases, punishment, everything. Jesus bore it all on the cross.

Tammy Hershberger 16:09

He nailed it to the cross.

Nick Walker 16:10

Yeah, yeah. It's it's there. And so when he then rose again, all of that was was fully taken care of. And so that's called the dead man, let's say. All of that and everything that comes with the cross, we were dead to. And so if I'm dead to all sin, and the main thing with condemnation, the enemy really just has to place one thing on you, and you start to condemn yourself every day. The guilt, shame, and condemnation, they blame it on the enemy, but I'm like, I was doing it to myself. Yeah, I was shame myself, like, oh dang it, I did this again. Why? Because I'm stuck in lawlessness, because I'm stuck, I'm still trying to operate in the law of I have to do, you have to earn it, which is totally wrong. I know, it's yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 16:53

Yeah.

Nick Walker 16:54

So really understand the gospel and what Jesus did on the cross. You know, chastisement, that's a punishment. You kind of said it the other day, I don't want to correct you or anything, but yeah, go ahead. If someone gets cancer, they're like, oh, I think God's trying to teach me something. Yeah, that's chastisement. That's an inflicted punishment discipline that God will give you to teach you. That's totally wrong.

Tammy Hershberger 17:17

Totally wrong. Yeah.

Nick Walker 17:18

He did it to Jesus. He won't do it to us.

Tammy Hershberger 17:20

Yeah.

Nick Walker 17:21

If Jesus bore it, that means he bore it for me. I don't have to bear it.

Tammy Hershberger 17:23

Yep.

Nick Walker 17:24

Sickness is a disease the exact same way.

Tammy Hershberger 17:26

He died to set you free of all that stuff.

Nick Walker 17:28

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 17:28

So why would you want to keep hanging on to it?

Nick Walker 17:30

Yeah. And if I'm some people, this is how I view it. Forgiveness. He already forgave me. And so if I go to him and I ask for forgiveness, for him to answer that, he'd have to send his son again and die again.

Tammy Hershberger 17:42

Yeah, true.

Nick Walker 17:43

It's like he already gave it to me. 100% forgiveness, 100% grace to cover everything I'd ever do so I can live in perfect unity with him. If I'm asking that, I'm presenting him to die again for me when he already did. Yeah. He already gave it. Why am I like he gave it to me? It's a gift. He's not gonna take it away. Yeah. So I just need to accept that. Yeah. It's all just one big amazing gift, and that's I mean, you're adopted into the kingdom of God. And so the revelation of sonship for me and for others most likely, is understanding what he did on the cross, but also something huge, and this is this can set people on fire, but what's the difference between us and Jesus? And also like, well, is Jesus who's God? He never accessed his divinity to God. And so Jesus was a man 100% filled with the Holy Spirit. I'm a man 100% filled with the Holy Spirit. You're a woman filled with 100% of the Holy Spirit. Grace gives us the ability to operate exactly like Jesus. Yeah. Jesus never prayed, said, Lord, they're like, God, I I need help. Yeah. I'm sick. I'm hurting, you know. I need you to forgive me because I've done everything.

Tammy Hershberger 18:57

I mean I think the only thing he ever said was in the Garden of Ghassan, whatever, guess I can't say it. Didn't he say something like, Lord, let this cut pass for me? And then he was like, But be thy will, or something. That was like it. I mean, I prayed three times, yeah. But he wasn't like, Lord, I can't do this. Oh my god, I'm getting my butt kicked. You know what I mean?

Nick Walker 19:12

Like, no, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 19:13

Or like, forget these freaking people, they're not listening to me. You know what I'm saying? He could have said that, yeah. He could, I mean, I would have been like, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But yeah.

Nick Walker 19:21

And it's it's been a process for me, uh honestly, especially through school. It's brought up so many religious beliefs that I've seen, and the tearing down of that, especially with how the enemy operates, who we actually are in the kingdom, um, what he did with my sin, he cast as far as the east is from the west. Yeah. That means it's totally gone.

Tammy Hershberger 19:41

Yeah, on the cross, he became sin for you, for me, for all of us. Yeah. So it wasn't.

Nick Walker 19:50

So he became the righteousness of God. And that's that verse right there, 100% righteous in his eyes. That actually would be the the huge thing with sonship, righteousness, the message of righteousness. That's right standing before somebody, and in this case God. Yeah. And so he bore sin and became all of these things so I could stand perfectly right as God. So he stepped before the Father as me on the cross, so that now I could step before the Father as Him.

Tammy Hershberger 20:18

Yeah.

Nick Walker 20:18

And the Father, when He looks at me, he sees His Son.

Tammy Hershberger 20:21

Yeah.

Nick Walker 20:22

And I then I'm holy and blameless and above reproach in His sight, Colossians 2 and Ephesians 2, holy and blameless in his sight, repeats Paul repeats it again. And I'm like, holy and blameless. He sees me as that, or perfect, made whole, as he says in the Gospels. I'm like, He sees me as perfection. Yeah. Holy and blameless in his sight because the Holy Spirit's in me. And that word dwell, that is in Ephesians 2 as well. His spirit now he gave to dwell in us permanently. That word dwell is permanently, forever.

Tammy Hershberger 20:54

To live in, yeah.

Nick Walker 20:55

He's not gonna leave me. He'll never leave you. He never leaves you nor forsakes me.

Tammy Hershberger 20:58

Yeah, exactly.

Nick Walker 20:59

So right standing before him, that was the hardest thing. And you preach this on a Sunday, people will they'll start throwing things at you.

Tammy Hershberger 21:08

Why do you think that is?

Nick Walker 21:11

Some people take it as your claim to be Jesus.

Tammy Hershberger 21:14

But what do you think that spirit is? That they just like do you think they just don't want to receive it or they just really want to hang on to that cross of like, I'm just so bad? Because I'm like, who wouldn't want the freedom of not carrying that weight anymore? Being forgiven.

Nick Walker 21:26

Yeah.

Religion Versus Relationship With God

Tammy Hershberger 21:27

I mean, I think about like you were saying when he died, he went to the in the you know, the deepest pit of the earth, hell, basically. And he came, he rose again and he's made new. And that's the same thing us when we when we get saved or accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we are washed clean, right? We are made new. So the old sinful nature is gone, and we start over basically with this fresh new thing, whatever age you are. And to me, that's so cool. It's like a fresh slate. Like I talked to someone one time and it's natural, but he was like, Oh, I'm gonna move to this new state, and it's kind of nice to have a fresh start, and I can redo myself, you know, I can like act different, I can dress different if I want. I want to change my life, and it's hard to do. With my old friends and whatever. And I think about that, and I'm like, in a split second, God's completely washed all that yuck away.

Nick Walker 22:06

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 22:06

I didn't have to do anything to earn it. And so you're talking religion. So can we talk about that a little bit?

Nick Walker 22:11

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 22:12

Because we just went over this in relationship with God with Andrew Womack in my school. And he was talking about, no, I take that back. It was Barry Bennett in Galatians, I think. Anyway, he was saying that um he was talking about how religion, and he's really hard against. He said religion puts you in a box, and God died to take you out of that box. Because we want to like have to earn it, we have to do better, we have to dress one way. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff. I mean, I even seen the Amish. It's like you can't have a porch deck like that because that's against the rules. And it's like, whose rules are you living by? Are you living by the church leaders or by Jesus' rules? Do you have do you want to kind of go with that?

Nick Walker 22:46

Yeah. Yeah, most, I mean, religion will put, will stamp a renewal of the subscription, your faith subscription every Sunday. And they'll come there and be like, oh, sweet, I checked it off. Oh, and make sure you tithe or else God can't bless you. I think it's that circumstantial love that we're stuck in that religion then places on everybody. You must do for God to view you this way. You must do uh to reap these benefits. Now the law of so and reaping is I think is totally different than works.

Tammy Hershberger 23:14

Yeah, absolutely.

Nick Walker 23:14

God freed us from works, but he wants us to partner with him in the works of his kingdom. That's not the same thing. So religion is really heavy, I think, on I have to I have to maintain and I have to do that. Uh and I have to it really do do do, you know. There's the be attitudes. Yeah. And I heard something awesome, Todd Wyatt said he goes, it's called the be attitudes because you can't do it too. You can't do it in the flesh to produce it. It's called the be attitudes because it's what you become. It's who you are, and people are so focused on doing, but if you just constantly do do, you just turn out to be doo-doo. And you have to be. You have to be to do first. You really have to become the word.

Tammy Hershberger 23:57

It's the heart change.

Nick Walker 23:58

Yeah. Yeah. It's a changed life. And I I don't think religion is. I mean, religion is it this is flat out religion is God's a judge and I am somehow on his mercy seat, and every time I do something, he's wanting to point a finger at it and call me guilty. Yeah. It's like, no. And he's and I still think he's he's master and I'm slave. Yeah. No, he totally freed me from all of it. I'm not sure why so many people are still stuck in it. Uh one, I don't think it's represented.

Tammy Hershberger 24:28

Yeah, I think it's the teaching. They're not because one and even myself, and that's what Barry Bennett said in this class. He said, by lesson two, he goes, I'm gonna go into this further. And he said, by the end of this, I'm gonna find you religious religious people, and we're gonna get that audio.

Nick Walker 24:40

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 24:40

Because it's such bondage, it's keeping you in bondage. And it's like to please who? Your pastor. I mean, like, I would rather people start teaching the Bible and what it says and how you don't earn it. Because if you if you earn it once, you're gonna lose it here, right? And it's like you get into the law of the old stuff, and there was like, I can't remember, five or six hundred laws. And I'm like, God made the law back then in the old testament because he wanted people to see that they were missing it. There's no way you can hold all those laws. It's not you doing it, it's God doing it that's gonna save you. And so I think about that and I'm like, why do we have this desire to keep us like keep them in a box and crunch them down? And it's like God still loves you even when you mess up. God still loves you if you miss church on Sunday. Now, I'm not saying miss church, but but it is a heart change because I look back the person I used to be in my 20s, and I was very unforgiving. I was very harsh. And I was like, and I think about why, and I think because I needed to earn something. I mean, even until like three years ago, I was still trying to earn everything. Got to prove myself to my businesses, got to prove myself as a friend, got to prove myself here to who is the question. And what's the mark when I know I hit it? Because the mark's always moving. That's an exhaust. I feel like that's the devil's way, which I it's my own fault, but it's the devil's way to distract you from the word of God, getting quiet and being like, what really matters? Does it matter that I could have another business, or does it matter that I'm realizing who I am in Christ? Because then I can focus my energy instead of just building, building, building on the stuff that matters people, my family, my friends, my husband, my God, right? Do you have anything to add to that?

Nick Walker 26:09

Yeah. I mean, I think Christ proved himself by living his life and bore a punishment that was meant for me, which then makes me enough. Christ proved it all. And that's how now we can live. But a lot of people actually, the number one problem, honestly, is people aren't even getting the word for themselves. They're leaning and relying on a pastor to fill them up. Let me tell you this proximity does not get you filled up, intimacy does. So sitting with the word in your quiet place or secret place, that's the number one thing. You can't supplicate that for anything. You can't say, Oh, I got this and I got this group, and I have an amazing pastor on Sunday, and I get hands laid on me. That sadly, that doesn't do anything for you. That's not does anything, doesn't do anything for you. It's good stuff, but it's not the bright of life.

Tammy Hershberger 27:01

No, it's like the knowledge, but then not the revelation of it. Like I hear it here, but I'm not getting it in my heart, which is the heart change is what you need. So that's very good.

Nick Walker 27:08

Yeah. And the the proving aspect was huge for me, but that's where the that's where I think the doing is. It's like I have to approve a godly life. But so no, when I just book start to become the word, because I want to read the word, and every time I read it, I start to be like, whoa, that sounds like me. It's Jesus living in me. Galatians 2 20, it's no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And if I'm starting to become who Jesus is, then I'm gonna start to look and do just as Jesus did. Yeah. That's the simplicity of it. But we we try and skip the becoming and and nurturing and pruning and weeding people.

Tammy Hershberger 27:47

That's where the work is, and everybody wants to do that. It's but it's we want the fast result, which is not real. It's not gonna stick. It might work today because I heard the message, but by next week I forgot about it, and now I'm not doing it.

Nick Walker 27:58

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 27:58

And I will tell you on that to piggyback what you're saying, and then I want you to keep going. Um that is the problem, and I I am so guilty of it up until I started Bible school. Like I would go to church for years every Sunday, and then we did prayer Fridays and Wednesdays, we had something, and I was serving for a long time at the church I went to, and I got so burned out from serving. But then I was like, I I remember leaving in Rich Rounds, uh, who was associate pastor at the time, but he asked me, he said, Why, what, what's going on? And I said, I just need to take a break. I said, Not from coming to church, but I said, I need to learn how to fall in love with the word of God again. Because it was just repetitive at church and it was the same stuff, and I wasn't getting, and I and now this is where my fault came in. I never cracked open my Bible ever. I mean, I'd bring it to church and I'd make a note there, and then it sat there till Sunday. And it's like if I fed my myself, you know, every three meals a day for seven days a week, but I spiritually took one meal on Sunday, I'm starving all week. And I started to notice that, and that was what happened. I mean, there was a lot going into my business that fell apart, but on my side of it, I mentally and emotionally imploded because I was so beat up and I wasn't getting in the word of God. So now, since I'm in Bible school, you have to read. And I'm I just can't, I like almost cherish my Bible now. I have notes all over it, and I'm like, I can't wait to get in there, find Jesus, find what it means for me, find the love of God. And I just before I thought it was boring because I just didn't want to do it. But look at what it did. The fruit was it was dying inside. I was emotionally hurting at 40 years old, right? Even though I had a great life and my life, people have so much worse lives than I ever had. But I think that's huge. So, like, what can you give as a young you're 20 years old, right? That's why I'm so impressed with you and even your brother. Because I'm like at your age, whoever got you into your parents or someone's amazing because you're smart enough to dig in now. I wish I had done that 20 years ago. I'd be in such a different place.

Nick Walker 29:46

Yeah. And the the secret place increases your capacity to steward and it increases peace. It increases um I'd say the comfort of heav of heaven, not the comfort of of the world and everything there. Um but also it just increases Jesus in you. And so I think bringing heaven to earth, that's an amazing thing to talk about, is Jesus is it's the one, he's the one thing. We talk about salvation, Jesus is salvation. We talk about heaven, it's like heaven is actually Jesus Himself because He is our reward, reward, He's our eternal reward. And so manifesting heaven on earth is manifesting Jesus Himself in the world. And that's that's what it that's what you increase in is uh Jesus Himself. And number one thing, everyone just needs an encounter with how God how God actually loves them and actually sees them. Because if you understand the love of God, it's then a love relationship because God created us. The only thing he created us for was that we so we could partner in this Trinitarian love with him. He created us out of who he is, which is love itself. He created everything for us because he is love and he created a relationship, to have a relationship with us, all that we could participate in his love. But sin broke that. Jesus came to restore that. And so now we can boldly approach the throne room of God and we can sit with him. And so this now it's like in in two years I could be saying something totally, totally different, you know what I mean?

Nick’s Story From Fear To Fire

Tammy Hershberger 31:40

I would imagine not I wouldn't say different, but I bet it'll be like you were saying about your podcast that you watched or someone watched, the more revelation and the more you go dig into that word, and the more God's, you know, you work you live and work in the spirit or whatever, like I do believe you're gonna get a deeper connection. Because if you listen, I mean I didn't do this 10 years ago, but I would not have any knowledge. I still don't feel qualified, but I'm like, I know a lot more than I did in July when I started Bible school. So what makes you can I ask you something? Because you're so young, and that's not disqualifying by any means, but what what how did you find God? Was it your parents, your family went to church, and then what made you dig into it? Like, did you get a revelation quick or what was it?

Nick Walker 32:17

Yeah, well, my family grew up Christian. Um, I wouldn't say I had like I grew up, and the number one thing that I felt like was was kind of drilled into me. Sadly, my parents that did an amazing job, but was every night before you go to bed, you better ask for forgiveness because you could die in your sleep. And if I were Catholic? No, no, I was we were Christian. We were not an Christian going to a specific church here in town that probably preached that, you know. But and it was, oh, if you die anytime and you you come up to him and you have sins that you haven't received forgiveness for or asked for, then you might go to hell. I'm like, goodness, bro, I better stay on top of that. That's probably scary as a kid. You know, that's what I thought of. And I thought the salvation prayer was every night, but it's like it's not a prayer, it's a life change, and so I I then I started, I mean, I I fell pretty far far, you know what I mean, uh in into the desires of the flesh and the lust of the eyes, you know, whatever. Uh in in my high school, like in middle school to junior year in high school, probably. I fell into all of that, and I as a kid would do whatever I wanted to. But then I found I will Dylan Morrill, he was on the podcast, he really really poured into me. I started to go to church, and then I found Todd White's videos on YouTube. I was like, what's this guy preaching? And I can't tell you exactly what he was preaching on that got me so sparked. Yeah, but there was something that there was life in his videos, and he was preaching something raw and real. And I was like, there's something here, and I desire it. I just wanted it, and it fulfilled me in a way that that the world couldn't. Yeah. And with that, I was like, okay, I need to like I need to get on top of this. What the heck is this? So I started topping the word for myself, just devoured YouTube videos, um, really sought revelation for myself, but then I really just was like, okay, the word of God is the number one authority in this world. It's the thing that holds all of this together.

Tammy Hershberger 34:23

It's the one thing that doesn't lie, the one thing that doesn't go away, and it's the one thing that doesn't fail. I mean, there's all scriptures, all support that I don't I don't have a time in my head, but if you ask me, I'll find them for you. But anyway, it's like the one thing you can freaking count on.

Nick Walker 34:36

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 34:36

Because people will fail you because we're imperfect. Businesses will fail, life fails sometimes, we fail, but that won't.

Nick Walker 34:45

Yeah, exactly. And and if that's that is the case, and so I was like, I I need to know this because as I started to to read it, and then I started to apply it to my life, I was like, wait a minute, I'm not desiring the same things anymore. And as I I I grew closer with God, and everything, it's like things just started to disappear out of my life. And I was in a preparation season for a wife, I would say, and I joined a men's group for the first time and I started to go to you know enjoy church, still an awesome church. Um, and then Dylan Morald started to disciple me, and he was just our discipleship was mainly I just asked him every question I ever had. I'm like, I just want to sit here, and he was just like, This is dope, do we gonna have coffee? And I said, answer all your questions, and we did that for a while, and I met my wife three months later, which really helped me grow up into that because I was like, I have to mature. Yeah, and she came out of you know being a Jehovah's Witness, and we really got to indulge the word together and grow in that. And I just I I felt I've always been a little more sensitive and driven spiritually uh than most because sometimes I feel like I'm a freak sometimes because everything to me is like I do, I feel like a Jesus freak sometimes. Because people were like, what the heck? You're just always kind of high. I'm like, Yes, how can you not be?

Tammy Hershberger 36:09

I don't but that's what I think so that's what I love about it, because you stand like you had noticed with uh Todd White that there's something different about that guy, right? Or whatever your version was of that. And I think that's what Jesus comes out, like what you put in comes out, right? So if you're putting yuck in, yuck's coming out. If you put good in or God, God's coming out, and you notice that, and you're smart enough to notice it, and then you're smart enough to act on it and be like, I want what he has. And we're called to be his disciples, and we're supposed to let Christ shine and live through us, right? By leap by example, live the gospels, right? Not just preach it. And I feel like that comes through to you. I mean, if I had all my boys that work for me at the barnyard talk about you, that's the one thing they all talk about how you're happy. You're I mean, how long have you worked for me now?

Nick Walker 36:49

Almost six months now.

Tammy Hershberger 36:50

It's been six months.

Nick Walker 36:51

About six months.

Tammy Hershberger 36:52

I haven't seen you matter grumpy yet. I mean, we tease the stuff out of you and you take it. Well, I haven't seen you cry. And not that there's anything wrong with crying, but you seem really happy, and I can tell that the Lord you have at peace and you always have good advice and you're for a 20-year-old who which I get, I'm not minimizing that, but like you've still got a lot of life to live, but you're a smart guy and you got a lot of wisdom. And I think that's the difference because life shines through. I would so much rather you be a Jesus freak as you say it. I don't think you're that weird. To me, it seems I I want people to like see that amazingness of you because that's huge at your age. That's going to take you to so many great places. And do you realize by people watching that on this on the videos you're making in life? I mean, as young as you are, you still inspire my guys. I was just teasing you about how Jonas was crying about you yesterday because how amazing you are. But do you know what I'm saying? I think that's you, you should honor that and be thankful that you have that, because that's huge. Because you could be the opposite 20-year-old who's drunk. I mean, I've worked at places and I come in, they're wasted the next day, and they can barely make it to work, or they're doing drugs, and it's like they're so miserable. I mean, I know people who are miserable all the time and they don't want God, and I'm like, this is what you need, though. This is the medicine you need, you know?

Nick Walker 37:58

Yeah. Yeah, literally. I appreciate that. Thank you. No, it wasn't, it's not. I think I just have such a uh a draw to mainly it's the the there's a chasm between uh who we are right now and who we're going to be in heaven, because that's our fully glorified self when we see Jesus. That chasm in between that. I want there to be nothing.

Tammy Hershberger 38:23

You want it to be you have you have grown and evolved or whatever the word is to that's interesting.

Nick Walker 38:29

That's a mature, yeah. And so I want I mean to stand face to face with Jesus, and he was like, You're exactly the same here. And I'm like, let's go, you know. Now people think I that perfection can never be achieved, but Jesus came as example. He was the father's only sermon, and he did and said only what he heard and saw the father saying. And like Jesus wouldn't have shown perfection if that was never a possibility, honestly. So it's like I want, but it's not me. I I can't do it. The flesh can't can't manifest any of it. It's Holy Spirit in me and him pruning and weeding my life, but also it's him fully, it's no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. If it's Christ living my life every day the fullest, because that's all I'm set on, it's literally, it's almost like it's actually no longer Nick is no longer the person really living, it's Jesus. Yeah. Getting to that point, especially a maturity, um, self-disciplined mind, all of the fruits of the Holy Spirit can only abide when he is manifesting your life 100%.

Tammy Hershberger 39:41

Well, and that's dying to your old self. Yeah. As you're talking, I'm thinking about how in the Bible when they would like God would change their names from like, I don't even know, I forget names now. Like Peter became who? Saul. No, Paul became Saul.

Nick Walker 39:52

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 39:52

But God would change their name, or Jesus would change their names. And it's like, you are this, your parents named you this, but I see you as this. That's kind of what you're saying.

Nick Walker 40:00

I mean, it's like yeah, sure.

Tammy Hershberger 40:01

Like becoming who God sees you. So even though in the past, I mean not me, but I wasn't really drunk, but just whatever. I'm a drunk, I'm a loser, I'm I messed up, I'm a terrible business owner, whatever. It's like, but just because I see that in the natural and that's been my past, that doesn't mean that has to be my future. And as you get in that word of God and you start to study it and you talk to believers like us and you make new friends, it's like you were saying how it changes you. I mean, I don't know the kids that you hung out with high school, some of the my people in my past, I'm like, I I run into them now and I'm like, I just don't really like you anymore. I mean, just not that they're good terrible people, but just the stuff that they find interesting and important and drinking, and I just don't want to do it.

Nick Walker 40:38

Yeah, it's kind of leaky. Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? It does, it gives you uncomfortable.

Tammy Hershberger 40:43

More for them, but yeah, it's just I don't want to hang out with that anymore. Yeah, it's not fun to me. The things that I used to thought, it's like when I was, I don't know, 25. I I told a story before, but John's cousin Dan, who was a believer, he helped get us safe. He was talking about ACDs and I was like, oh my gosh, they're in Vegas, and I was living in Rock Springs, and I was like, we should go. And he's like, I wouldn't listen to that music. And he wasn't at the time, I thought he was being condescending. And I was like, I remember saying that I'll never not listen to that. I still like their music, but I don't like the words, and now I won't go. I'm like, not that I shame you for going, but it just I'd rather listen to worship music. It just doesn't quite feed my spirit. And if I watch certain TV and I do too much of it, I'm like, I feel kind of yucky and I have nightmares, and versus if I listen to God's word before bed, I sleep better, I have good dreams, I feel refreshed the next morning. Like there's a difference, don't you agree?

Nick Walker 41:29

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that that level of consecration that the Lord will lead you through, that set set apartness for the Lord is what that is. It is a I and the biggest thing, Christians should not look like the world at all. Yeah, they should not indulge in anything in the world at all. Like Jesus, sure, he sat with sinners, but he did not indulge in sin with sinners. And so it's not about your pastoral fast, like I have that and understanding failure was just an event in my life. And just because I I sat in a chair of sin, it didn't make me the chair of sin. I'm not a sinner. That's true. But I got up out of that and now I'm standing in righteousness. Yeah. That that conjoining of those those two. Getting up out of that and then finally, finally seeing like, whoa, the richness of it, the richness of Jesus, the the prize that I that I have in him and in his word, of how literally it is refreshment to my mortal body, as it says in Proverbs, the the bread of life is the word of God. I have seen it on days where I'm like, okay, I'm just, you know, at the end of the day or something, I'm just feeling a little like, what the heck? You know, and I get into it and I feel spirit immediately overcome me. And I feel like I just start a new day. I'm like, what the heck was that?

Tammy Hershberger 42:50

Very fresh.

Nick Walker 42:51

And I'm I'm new again.

Tammy Hershberger 42:52

Yeah.

Nick Walker 42:53

And I'm like, that needs to be it every single day. That's why I'm meditating on his word day and night. And that's how I believe I can produce. Not saying I'm I'm a crazy workhorse or I'm the I'm not the best Villard the Varner.

Tammy Hershberger 43:06

He did call himself shingle master.

Nick Walker 43:07

So no, that's just that's facts, but by faith it's facts. That how I can produce like that. Um, but also, yeah, the things of people I used to hang out with, um, or even some friends now, I'll I'll come around. I'm just like, I I don't like this. I I don't want to do this anymore. It's not fruitful. You want to talk about this, have a few drinks. I I don't, I'm good. And honestly, it's not a oh like what? You don't want to preach the gospel to him? Like you don't need to do that. It's just like, no, I don't want to sit with you when you're choosing to sin. Yeah. I I don't really want to do that. If you want to, I'll call you out of it always. You know, you we're bold and and you you honestly, I think preach to people, even if they don't like it, it's like there is more inside of them and call them to it. But if someone knows it's sin. And they're willingfully sinning, they're sinning on purpose. The grace to then help them out of that, it's not really there. It's just kind of a okay, keep your distance until they they're like, hey, until they're ready. Yeah, because sadly some people are not ready to receive that. They're comfortable in it. And that's one thing I've really felt the Lord call on my life is a consecration to never be comfortable or set in with this world. I'm I'm here for a reason.

Tammy Hershberger 44:31

Yeah, because we have our minds set on the future, got like having to come, right?

Nick Walker 44:34

Like Yeah, like Colossus 3.1. Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 44:36

Yeah.

Nick Walker 44:37

That's good.

Tammy Hershberger 44:38

I like what you're saying about your energy level coming to work because I think that does make your difference because you've you're refreshed, you're you're not miserable and you're not in your head all the time thinking about all these miserable things. And I've got some people that I've been around in my life and they're just negative. And I'm like, I even think back to some friends that like were family to me that I had to cut because I was like, Lord, they're so negative and they talk negative over my life. And they were talking about that in school recently about like when you pray, you have to you have to have faith, right? You have to believe what the word says, and then you have to stand fast in that. You have to watch your mouth because we get like, oh, we prayed, and it's like, oh, I mean, so like one time, a long time ago, I was praying for my eyes to be healed, and I remember one time I got prayed over and instantly I was like, did it happen? And I was like, nope. And then I was like, well, that didn't work, you know? And then I was like, now I'm gonna get back to believing for that because I have a crazy experience that I believe I could have gotten it. But anyway, my point is so you have to watch your mouth, you have to watch who you're hanging out with because these people, I remember I had my house for sale, and they're like, Your house is never gonna sell. And I was like, I cursed that. Uh, that's not true. And I sold my house for a lot of money. And I had something else, and they were like, your business is never gonna grow. And I was like, Well, what the hell are you doing? I mean, it kind of made me mad because I was like, I don't come here and destroy what you're doing. Now, there's things I may not, you know, blow smoke up your butt, but I'm like, I think that is possible. If you put you apply yourself and God's behind that, absolutely it's possible. And I just like don't want to be around that anymore. Cause I'm like, I have my own self-doubt sometimes. I don't need adding friends to it who are gonna destroy what I'm doing. Don't you agree?

Nick Walker 46:05

Yeah. No, I 100% agree. And you actually brought up some of that and popped in my mind. The my view of people, but also of situations and circumstances have changed a lot. Yeah, especially since I've had just an actual relationship with God. I thought about I was there doing that. I was putting on that door earlier, and I was like, man, what are we gonna talk about? And it was it was something so clear of relationship, 100% relationship, and what a walk looks like. But then there was some there was an analogy that popped, and I was like, I have never heard that before.

Tammy Hershberger 46:40

Do you remember what it was?

Nick Walker 46:41

And yeah, it was a relationship with God is like someone that you would have a relationship with that would live in your house.

Tammy Hershberger 46:49

It's that close.

Nick Walker 46:50

Not like a roommate, but you've been adopted into a family, and you're gonna live in the house of God. Is is your relationship with him is he one he adopted you. Okay. He chose you into his name. He chose to be. Yeah, he wasn't just like, well, I guess this'll do. No, no, definitely not. He chose you, predestined you from the foundations of the of the earth, Ephesians 1 as well. And it's like he we've been adopted into his name. One, he's the one that made me worthy of that name. But also my relationship with him, of knowing him, for me not to come to me. And I say, Lord, Lord, look, look at all these things done. You know, Matthew 6, I think it is. And he says, Away from me, I never knew you.

Tammy Hershberger 47:35

That sounds terrifying to me.

Nick Walker 47:37

But at the end, it says, You workers of lawlessness. One, the fear of the Lord is huge. But also a a reverence for his name and who you've uh what family you've been adopted into, and knowing him to where he then welcomes you into his home and his kingdom with open arms like that. That is that is a type of intimacy that's not a checklist on Sunday, that's not I read my Bible in the morning. It's no, I sit with him, I hear his voice, and his voice has an authority in my life, but also his voice, I actually cherish his voice. Uh-huh. Or it's like, I if I receive a prophetic word or he says something to me, I am writing it down and I will read it. Yeah. I am not, if I get something over my life, I'm not just throwing it away. I'm just like, oh, sweet, trying to search the other word. It's like, no, we have to honor it all. Because if if I can't cherish his voice now, what makes you think when I'm in ministry, I can cherish his voice then? No, I'm gonna I'm gonna be faithful with every word he's ever spoken to me, everything his word has ever said, because one, if I can't cherish this word, what makes you think when he speaks to me audibly or through the spirit that I'm gonna cherish it? This has to have the number one authority, and this is the number one word that he's spoken to you before anything. And so, but also that's how you how you know his voice. If you want to know his voice for yourself, he's never gonna speak something outside of the word, and it's gonna sound like him in the word.

Tammy Hershberger 49:05

But can I give a really fast story? Sorry, I know I'm not sure. No, I want I hope I don't keep your train of thought. But it just reminds me of this because that can be a little natural sometimes. But Jerry Savelle, I don't know if you ever heard him talk about his kids. He had a boy and girl, I don't know how many kids, but they were in the backseat of the station wagon, and he they were talking about how you know the voice you're listening to. And he said his daughter, like the boy was harassing the girl. And finally he heard his daughter say, Um, what did she say? Basically, shut up, devil, or something like that, shut up, devil. And she's like, What? And he he goes, Well, honey, what are you why are you saying that? And he goes, Because he just told me to break Max's arm. And I was like, How funny that little kid knows that because that's not God wouldn't tell you to do that, right? It's like when I'm talking to someone, they annoy me and I want to punch them in the face. And I hear that, I'm like, that's not the Lord telling me I should obey, you know. But as adults, we need to remember that. So keep going.

Nick Walker 49:50

Yeah, 100%. Um, yeah, it is, it becomes so clear, as well as he called the voice of the accuser. And if if there's something that's like, oh wow, you remember you did this, I'm like, God would never do that.

Tammy Hershberger 50:03

Yeah.

Nick Walker 50:03

It's like God would never show me something I've done before and point it out. Yeah, he doesn't come with a checklist, say, check out all this, look how unworthy you are. He wouldn't do that.

Tammy Hershberger 50:13

Or even for women, it's like I'm fat, I'm ugly, I'm this, I'm that. It's like, well, God, whose whose voice are you listening to? Because God has He loves you so much, He would never say that about you.

Speech Gossip And Freedom From Offense

Nick Walker 50:23

Yeah, exactly. He's a good father, he wouldn't do wouldn't say any of that. And but number one thing I've seen disappear is the wrong view of people I've had. Uh, and that's even an immature view of of Christians in the church. I I I used to be one that can you elaborate on that for me? Yeah. There's a lot of immaturity in the church, I'd say. And it's something I kind of know we'd bring up, but the say somebody someone you know prays a certain way, says something, it is actually breaking the bond of peace if I dislike something they said and I don't understand it, and I leave and say, Oh well, whatever. Because then I'm going to this person slandering and gossiping and sewing discord into this one. And I have now given this person a wrong view to see this other person.

Tammy Hershberger 51:12

Yeah, because you put your slant on it.

Nick Walker 51:14

Yeah. I I just put my fleshy opinion on top of somebody, and now this person has a wrong view to view this one. Yeah. I literally just I sewed the works of the devil into that person to view them a certain way, like, holy crap. Yeah. So I have seen slander, gossip disappear, but also my view of people in a way I I I more see the root of the issue now, if someone has something. And I I say it's confidently, like, you just can't get me irritated or mad.

Tammy Hershberger 51:46

What a great way to live your life, though. But do you know how and to get that at your age? Because I'm I've kind of gonna piggyback on what you're saying. I've got I've gotten that revelation myself. I'll be careful who I'm talking about here, but someone that I had to deal with that, like, it was a disaster. And for a long time I just thought, this person's a horrible human being. They're mean, they're blah blah blah, right? And since the revelation of what you're talking about is coming, is like God made that person to be amazing and put a call on their life, right? And they just A, don't know the Lord. So I've got grace for that now because I know they don't see themselves as the way the Lord sees them. Addiction comes in the play, and I'm like, that is tough. And so I'm like, who the heck am I to sit here and be like, that person's an awful human being? Yes, the stuff they're doing is terrible. I think the Bible says love them, but not or don't love what they do, but love them, or something like that. There's a scripture, love them and not what they do, or something like that. And I'm like, so I'm getting the revelation of like, yeah, they're still a good person. They're just they're really hurting. And then actually I have more instead of anger towards them, now I have grace and mercy because I'm like, thank God I've gotten my life cleaned up some because I used to not be saved either. And I didn't have the revelation of who I am in Christ. And now I actually feel sorry, but not in like a condescending way, but feel like I I still want to pick them up because I'm like, I don't care what you did, I want to help you now because I don't like that you think that about yourself or that you're stuck in this addiction. Or does that that kind of make sense, right? Of what you're saying.

Nick Walker 53:04

Definitely. It's yeah, God doesn't love them less than than he does me. They're called to a son just like I am.

Tammy Hershberger 53:11

Yeah.

Nick Walker 53:11

And so they have the same position in his kingdom that I do. They're heirs to the full inheritance of Christ, and he has given them every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places if he's just one as well.

Tammy Hershberger 53:22

They just have to reach out and take it.

Nick Walker 53:29

And we get so much with that, but the the big thing with people as well. Um the taming of the tongue, you look at oh goodness, there's so I mean you look at James 2, you know, 1 Peter talks about it, Colossians 3 talks about it. I mean, the the taming of the tongue and and slander, malice, gossip, preserved speech, uh absurd joking, that that's huge conviction, you know, Dan makes a joke, and I'm like, I shouldn't be laughing at that, but it is so funny. That's still a work for me.

Tammy Hershberger 54:05

But I think you have to look at the heart though, because you can tell intent, right? It's like I mean, it I won't go too far in this, but like women take things way personal, men not as much, right? And so it's like if I say to you you're a dumb mother and I'm being mean about it, you're gonna get upset by that. Now, well, okay, that's probably not a good example. But do you know what I'm saying? But the way you the speech, and like, do you know that I hate this person and now I'm saying the smart stuff about them, or you know I actually love them or just joking around? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I think you can tell by their heart. Like, do you really think he means what he's saying? Like, he really hates that person or hates that group or whatever. Do you know what I'm saying?

Nick Walker 54:39

No, not actually. I know I know it's horror.

Tammy Hershberger 54:41

So I think that does help.

Nick Walker 54:42

Yeah, no, definitely. There's be someone an awesome lesson that I actually learned from someone I used to work with, but it was be blameless above reproach. And so give no way or no view from any angle that you could be seen doing evil or speaking evil. In no way could I ever be accused or blamed or point or finger that look at what you just did. It's like staying away from all that Paul says.

Tammy Hershberger 55:10

And especially going into ministry or when you were gonna be a leader or raise up, you know, in that respect, you have to really watch yourself because you are people are watching you. And they're gonna, you know, some people are not mature enough to know they don't copy what you're doing, or like he's doing it, I can do it. Because isn't that talk about like not doing things that would make your brother fall? Like whether it's eating something, if they're not eating it, you shouldn't eat it in front of them. I'm pretty sure the Bible talks about that.

Nick Walker 55:32

Yeah, it's it's the curse is the one who allows or or makes his brother stumble or something.

Tammy Hershberger 55:37

Yeah, yeah. It's like I may not stop eating meat every day, but if I'm around you, I may not order it or whatever, or I'm not gonna take you to somewhere that you struggle with because I know if you if you're an alcoholic and I I can I mean I don't drink, but if you're an alcoholic and I can take one beer and be good, I'm not gonna drink in front of you because I don't want to risk it, you know.

Nick Walker 55:54

So 100% honorable. Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 55:57

So if that's what you're talking about, is honoring and making sure you kind of keep yourself accountable and is that what you mean?

Nick Walker 56:02

Yeah, that I mean I think with my speech, I used to be a huge you can't imagine it, but I used to have a mouth on me.

Tammy Hershberger 56:10

I used to say you're so quiet, I can't imagine.

Nick Walker 56:12

I I used to I used to cuss so badly. That's one thing.

Tammy Hershberger 56:16

Were you like dong? No, just kidding. I said, I cannot picture that with you.

Nick Walker 56:21

Yeah, you catch in like middle school, start high school. I I would say the F-word about th every three I in every sentence. That's interesting, which is pretty wild for me to even think about myself. I would never say that. I said outside I said Frick the other day, F-R-I-C-K. Oh my god. And I felt conviction with that. I'm like, I shouldn't be saying that anymore, I don't think. And now I don't gonna push conviction on on anybody here but or condemn anybody, but that I he has stripped that from me. Uh and I think when Paul talks about timing the tongue and cursing like that, I I don't see that as like that's I don't know. I I personally see that as okay. I'm not trying to, you know.

Tammy Hershberger 57:02

But are you saying because I said the F-word sometimes?

Nick Walker 57:05

No, no, not at all.

Tammy Hershberger 57:06

Well that's too friggin' bad. No, I'm just kidding. But no, I think if that's your personal revelation though, then he's talking to you. And if if or when or whatever, I get that revelation. I mean, I've cleaned up a bunch, but my frustration gets to me sometimes. But I agree. I mean, I think if you're he if you feel that tug, then you should listen to it.

Nick Walker 57:22

Yeah. That's just the word says it. I, you know, as if I read it in the word um or God points it out to me, if I do it once more, it is now out of ignorance and there's a lack of grace for it.

Tammy Hershberger 57:32

And you're being disobedient.

Nick Walker 57:33

Yeah, it would be.

Tammy Hershberger 57:34

I think John was telling me one time, and I don't know, the scripture or whatever, but it was talking about how that's that's when it becomes sin, is like if you don't know better, you get that grace or whatever, mercy. But once you've heard about it, learn about it, know it, and you do it again, that's when now you're in sin. Yeah. Because you know better.

Nick Walker 57:49

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 57:50

That's it's like the kid who's who I don't know, eats the like lies to you about the cookie and it's like, well, no, you you don't lie to mom or whatever. Don't just steal the cookie. Now he knows he's gonna get more punishment next time because I know I told you now, don't do it. Yeah.

Nick Walker 58:02

And it'd be blind disobedient to the mother. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That's you're only judged to the extent that of of your revelation, so you're not gonna stand before Jesus and you're like, you don't look like me. It's like, uh no, I didn't. He only judges to what what I know, yeah, uh, and what revelation I've received. And that actually brings up an interesting thought of sometimes the accountability and maturity. Some some people don't want to exceed the standard they're at because it's comfortable and they can manage it. And if they increase in revelation and in relationship with Jesus, they know they can't continue to live in what they're living in.

Tammy Hershberger 58:41

Yeah, and then they have to change.

Nick Walker 58:42

Oh bang. Yeah, they would they not have to change, but it's like it would then be willful sinning if I if I continued. Like for me, I I will never drink. I don't know.

Tammy Hershberger 58:53

Yeah, I at this point I don't have to.

Nick Walker 58:55

Yeah. But uh it's amazing how Christ is just it's like it's just all disappeared out of me. It's uh most of those things. My view of people is now purity and love. It's like from a wrong perspective, a good thing could look evil. But it's like if I'm viewing it from a heaven perspective, I can only see the good in that person and the good in that person. And I've actually I've when I received that, especially about slander, and I dive into scripture and I'm like, my view of people, my thoughts of people, but also getting totally set free from offense and being able to, you know, offense and yeah, like being able to be hurt or or people's words having authority over me. You know, you can joke around with me. And I'm like, I don't give a darn, I don't you know, I make a mistake and I'm just like that's part of that. Like, well, it's cool, you know, I'm learning, but it doesn't it it won't it won't harden me, it won't uh offend me, it won't ruin my point of view on anybody. And that that view I call it eyes of purity that the heaven gives you when you are intimate with the Lord. He he renews your your eyes and your thoughts, and then you start to see people as as he sees them, and you start to call it up. Uh that's why like I I really as well I know I know I do it here because I guess it could take you, but like I won't really joke about joke about people, you know, point I I really watch pointing fingers at people, even if it's in a joking way. Now about Jonas's height, that is really I'm so sorry. You know, he but I know he's he's unevendable too.

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:32

It's just like we choke around, but we're not in the schoolyard, like bullying.

Nick Walker 1:00:36

Yeah, not at all.

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:38

We also are here and we're I mean, we we watch out for I feel I maybe you can say different, but I think we watch out for each other. We do tell each other nice things, right?

Nick Walker 1:00:48

We do.

Tammy Hershberger 1:00:49

It's like that's I think the group that for sure the people I'm around and how I am. I if I don't tease you, I don't really love you because I don't I'm just like cool, whatever. But that that's my way of showing like love and care and you know, just saying, no, if I was just mean to you every day and never say anything good to you, that's not great, you know. But yeah, uh yeah, I will uh and we always and we measure Jonas, just to be clear, we measure Jonas and he's I can't even remember how tall he's like five, he's taller than me, actually. He does not look it because I was like, he's four nine, and he's not. He's like, No, I'm not, and so we take we measured him. Me and Dan, I don't remember his height, but he's taller than me, but it doesn't look like it.

Nick Walker 1:01:26

Wow.

Tammy Hershberger 1:01:28

So yeah, anyway.

Nick Walker 1:01:30

That's no, it's I'm short, we do joke.

Tammy Hershberger 1:01:33

We're not making fun of you, we're making fun of Jonas.

Nick Walker 1:01:35

No, no, it's uh it's like your little brother.

Tammy Hershberger 1:01:37

You love him, but you gotta make fun of him. Yeah, you gotta prepare him for the world.

Nick Walker 1:01:41

I'm the little brother, yeah. I am the littlest brother.

Tammy Hershberger 1:01:44

But you're the youngest, but you don't get it.

Nick Walker 1:01:46

Not everyone was like Goliath's brother like me, I guess. That's right. No, I'm just kidding, I wasn't Goliath's brother. I'm just but that's hilarious. But yeah, that's that's been I've seen it just it's kind of shed off as just revelation hits and I and he just prunes. I mean, I ask him, but also I do, I'm like correct, correct my life, allow the fire of heaven to be over me now, so I don't have to feel the the fire of hell one day. It's like I want to be refined and and just 100% purified in a righteous living and I'll ask him, I'm like, what what is there in this aspect of my life? What's there in work? What's there in my relationships that you see that that is not according to your word? Because I think if I if I were to pass through, Nick Walker were to pass through the word, would I would I be able to go through? Or would there be a bunch of errors? It's like he can't, that doesn't, or it doesn't work. And if if I do that, I'm like, okay, what are the errors? Yeah. I I get them out of here. Get anything that separates me from Jesus and being exactly as he was, then I don't want it. I'm good.

Tammy Hershberger 1:02:55

Well, I think that takes your mindset off yourself of like, oh, that's offensive or that bothers me, or like because offense and you know all that crap is like bitterness, yeah, that's what it was. That's such a yucky thing to carry with you in life, and it can hold you back so much. And we're gonna wrap this up, Nick. But anyway, so if you look at that, for me, even becoming from where I was, where if you uh did anything to me, I'd cut you out of my life for the rest of my life, and you were dead to me. And I'm like, that's not a great way to live. That's how you lose people, and now I go out of my way to keep people because I'm like, I've invested time into you, energy, I don't want to lose you. And if I know you're I just have to remember, maybe you're struggling and maybe you just need time, maybe we need a healthy boundary, you know what I mean? Whatever. And then I look at like now my perspective is now I'm gonna cut you off. Now it's like, how can I help you? Is there anything I can do? Can maybe it's just I have to pray. I don't know. But like I am generous and now I'm looking for who can I help. The devil's wandering around who can looking for who he can devour. I'm like, who can I help? Who can I build up? And I take pride in that now. I'm like, I'm gonna encourage you if you're down. I'm gonna try to remind you who you are in Christ because that's there's enough naysayers out there. We don't need more of them.

Nick Walker 1:03:53

Yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:03:54

And then remembering at the end of the day, like all this stuff's gonna burn up, and your works are the only thing that's gonna hold up. Not works as far as getting into heaven, but like, you know, did I help people? Did I make a difference? Because the cars are gonna go away, the house goes away, the crap goes away. Right. Okay. So we're gonna have to do some more of these because we're out of time.

How To Join Their Groups

Nick Walker 1:04:12

But sweet, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04:13

Okay, so I want to, for people who are looking for a youth group or a men's group, you mentioned that in the beginning. Can you tell people that are local here how to get hold of you or get a part of that?

Nick Walker 1:04:21

Yeah. So we on Mondays we have a young adults group uh and we do we do teachings, we just equip believers, and then we'll go out and we'll do outreach. The church be the church, because there's a lack of that in Grand Junction. Uh, that's called the Fire GJ on Instagram. You can follow and shoot that DM. It's every Monday at 7 p.m. We do stuff and we post what we're doing on there. And we have a men's group on Thursdays, uh try and buy me, um, or rent, you know, group of guys, whatever. But you can you can just text me if I can put my phone number out there. If you want it out there, it's already out there for from DC.

Tammy Hershberger 1:04:54

I will say, ladies married, so don't even bother. But if you're serious about the Lord, you're in three months now.

Nick Walker 1:04:58

Let's go. That's great. Yeah, if you're serious about the Lord, men. I don't have a women's group. Not my thing. My wife does, though.

Tammy Hershberger 1:05:04

You could he does not identify as a woman, so no.

Nick Walker 1:05:08

No, he created them male and female. All right. Uh Thursdays, 970-640-4706. You can text me, we have a men's group there. Um, then I go to 970 Church here in Grand Junction. Uh the pastor is John and Bo.

Tammy Hershberger 1:05:23

And where is that located?

Nick Walker 1:05:24

Are they are they amazing? Uh it's Orchard Mesa off of Utaweep Avenue by the uh Orchard Mesa Middle School. And that is Fruitful Church. Um and yep.

Tammy Hershberger 1:05:36

Walker of Faith, we're hoping to launch relatively next few months, maybe.

Nick Walker 1:05:41

Yes. Yep, get shirts out there. Um, and then I I feel grace to do more. Ah, I feel I like this stuff a lot. Short form content on Instagram, but I would love you.

Tammy Hershberger 1:05:53

You did share your Instagram handle, right? It's not shingle master. We know that. I tried it for the five. I wish I was like, oh, it doesn't come up.

Nick Walker 1:06:00

No, sad, it's not me. Um, that's just Walker, Walker of Faith on Instagram, and it has bought yeah, it'll see the logo Walker of Faith on the cross. And I post short form content in there, and also me post in apparel. Um, but also I'd love to do more long form content like this and get into YouTube and actually start to teach believers this because I feel there's a lack of that.

Tammy Hershberger 1:06:20

So Yeah, I agree.

Nick Walker 1:06:22

It's awesome.

Tammy Hershberger 1:06:22

Okay, anything else you want last-minute thoughts before we wrap this up for today?

Nick Walker 1:06:27

No, I don't know. I don't think so. Just get in your word. That's the number one thing. Yeah. Get get in your word. Like that's it. The secret place changed my life. Actually, getting into the word and believing what the word says, you need to do it for yourself.

Tammy Hershberger 1:06:40

Yeah. I mean, we thank you all for listening. Um, we will well, I'll I'm gonna try to get him back for some more because he's a very knowledgeable young man. So we thank you for listening. Remember to like, share, subscribe. Remember in the world of business, every success story begins with a passionate drill. Ends with a strategic billion-dollar handshake. Stay ambitious, stay innovative, and keep making those deals that reshape tomorrow. Thank you all for tuning in, and until next time, remember Proverbs 3-3 says, Let love and faithfulness never leave you. Bind them around your neck. Write them on the tablet of your heart. That way you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man. And remember, if you like what you heard today, click the follow button so you never miss an episode.