Ask God Questions, Don't Question God: Conversation with Julio Molina

Julio Molina returns to share his powerful testimony of overcoming severe anxiety and panic attacks through discovering his identity in Christ and understanding the true nature of trials in a believer's life.

• Experiencing a severe anxiety crisis that led to multiple ER visits and dramatic weight loss
• Discovering that financial stress and career pressure were masking deeper identity issues
• Learning to ask God questions instead of questioning God during trials
• Finding freedom through understanding that trials aren't punishment but invitation
• Seeing the book of Job in a new light—Job's suffering came because God spoke highly of him
• Breaking mental strongholds by recognizing that trials aren't because of personal failure
• Shifting focus from "why is this happening?" to "what do you want me to show me, Lord?"
• Embracing the truth that God has no evil in Him and doesn't cause our suffering
• Experiencing God's presence most powerfully in the midst of our darkest moments

If you're currently struggling, remember these three truths: your situation has nothing to do with your past mistakes, God has no evil in Him, and the key is to ask, "God, what do you want me to know in this moment?"

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome to Light Up Your Business
• 0:57 Julio's Anxiety Crisis Story
• 6:02 Finding Root Causes Beyond Finances
• 12:43 Identity in Christ and Discovery
• 22:34 Lessons from the Book of Job
• 34:38 Breaking Mental Strongholds
• 43:59 Three Keys to Overcoming Struggles
• 1:05:56 Final Prayer and Closing Thoughts

Transcript

Tammy Hershberger: 0:01

Welcome to the Light Up your Business podcast, the show where we dive deep into the world of small businesses. I'm your host, tammy Hershberger, and each episode will bring you inspiring stories, expert insights and practical tips to help your small business thrive. Whether you're an entrepreneur just starting out or a seasoned business owner, this podcast is your go-to source for success in the small business world. Let's get started to source for success in the small business world. Let's get started. Hi everyone, I want to welcome you back to another great episode of Light Up your Business podcast. I have a special guest, julio Molina, with me again today. He was on a few episodes ago and in that conversation we were talking about the Lord and we both started talking after the podcast that we wanted to come back and talk to you guys about struggle and how we've kind of overcome that, and so today I want to welcome Julio. How are you today, julio?

Julio Molina: 0:52

I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back.

Tammy Hershberger: 0:55

Yeah, absolutely. We're glad to have you back. So I guess my first question right off the bat is can you take us back to a time in your life where you were really struggling and how you overcame that?

Julio Molina: 1:07

yeah, um, you know it's interesting, when I was um, you know, considering this or thinking about this question, um, because I'm like do we do we, do we, do we ever start struggling? That's true. Now, you know, I say that with humor, but and I use the word lightly, but I think that you know the relationship with trials and tribulations has changed over time. So, but, as you know, to answer your question, um, as I was, you know, inquiring of the Lord, I'm like which, which season do you want me to talk about? Right, which one do you want me to bring up? Because, though I laugh about that, there's been, um, certainly a lot of trials and tribulations that I've experienced since I've met the Lord, and the one that bears the most witness to share with everyone on the podcast. Today is about almost three years ago.

Julio Molina: 2:18

I went into the gym, just to you know, to work out with a friend.

Julio Molina: 2:24

I was experiencing a lot of stress at the time, a lot of financial stress. I had a sales director position at the time as well, at a high-end luxury store dealership and just decided to go to the gym, right, blow up some steam, kind of thing, and, you know, we worked out for, you know I guess a couple hours, hours, went into the hot tub and then we went into the sauna and went into the sauna, like I went in, got out, went back in, and the second time I went back in like my whole nervous system just went haywire and from there it spiraled into. You know, a er visit, like two in the morning, three in the morning, um, because I was having experiencing an anxiety and panic attack from from that day for probably a good year, consistently. Um, I was experiencing anxiety and panic attacks way more intense than I've ever had in my life before. So that was one of the most recent struggling times that I can think of. And then we can dive into details, if you like yeah, let's talk about that.

Tammy Hershberger: 3:48

So that was the first experience you've had with anxiety and panic attacks no, that was actually second second okay, but that was like almost the worst. It sounds like yeah, it was.

Julio Molina: 4:00

Um, you know the thing about anxiety is, you know it?

Julio Molina: 4:07

it it screams lies so loud that the biggest one is you think you are just going to die yeah, yeah like it is like literally, um so, but I had, I had never experienced like in a manifest that manifested this time around in palpitations in my heart, and I've never experienced that before. So I've experienced anxiety years and years ago, but not with palpitations of the heart. So that was really scary. It was weird, scary, it was weird. But you know, thankfully I, you know I have a healthy heart and I went through all the medical tests because, again, anxiety likes to lie. So you just, you know, I'm like I just want to make sure to triple check. So I'm all good there. But yeah, it was very, very intense.

Tammy Hershberger: 5:00

And I relate with you a little bit. I'm doing pretty good right now, but during the worst of my mental crisis I'm going to call it my burnout I was having so much anxiety coming back and I agree, it's like it's so interesting because your mind's telling you you're freaking out, you're gonna like you said, you're gonna die, you're gonna whatever, and you have to almost shift your mindset off of it to get it to stop. I mean, one time I was on a boat tour and we were just getting ready to board the boat and I just started. I'm not scared of boats, but I just started panicking, Like, and I literally had to get off my seat and walk around to look at stuff to distract myself. And then I was fine, but I'm like, why would I die on the boat? I mean, it's fine, it's a big, open boat but it is a liar, that is for sure.

Julio Molina: 5:53

So tell me, on your experience, did you, what was the emotions, what was going on in your life that do you think caused that? Or was there a catalyst for that? Or yeah, um, you know, obviously you don't know this then, right, but, um, you know hindsight 2020 as you, as you, you know, look back, um, you know what it was is. You know, I was going through a financial hardship and I was trying to figure out how to fix that problem, and the only way that I knew how to fix it was to, you know, make money. And I know it sounds silly, but it's like the way I only knew how to do this is to go and make money. So I went into the dealershiphip, back into the dealership business, and this time around, it was in in a leadership role, right, as a sales director.

Julio Molina: 6:33

So you know, the the auto industry can be very taxing and very stressful not for everyone, right, but my experience and from what I've witnessed, it can be very taxing on a person. It can be very, very stressful. Um, so you know, not only that I have the pressure of having to perform as a sales director, but also the pressure of like I still have all this financial stress right and it all just, you know, collided and then that's when that happened. Now that's like my physical, human response. But within the last three years I've done and when I say I, the Holy Spirit has walked me through so much inner man work that it wasn't the stress that was the problem, it was other things going on internally that manifested itself and, you know, through financial hardship or whatever the case might be are you willing to dig into that more?

Tammy Hershberger: 7:48

can we unpack that a little bit more of what the internal struggle was?

Julio Molina: 7:53

yeah, absolutely, and I'll say this I am, I am very uncomfortable, um, right now, talking about this, and I'm just being transparent because but I'm willing, because I sense that the Lord is wanting me to be honest and authentic about some of these, some of these seasons that I've went through. And you know, I, it's not I, I I like to encourage, right, so I like to just be like positive and talk about the good. So sometimes having to go back tends to expose me, but that's the lie of the enemy that has kept me from sharing the testimony that God has given me, because the reality is is that I'm not exposing myself. I'm exposing what God has done in my life, and so go ahead.

Tammy Hershberger: 8:55

Well, I was just going to say and to encourage you a little bit with that is that testimony that you're, you know that you're scared to share, basically because it's going to kind of out you or show that you're not a perfect human being, right, that is a testimony that could massively help someone else listening or that will eventually hear this or has a friend who's struggling that they can share it with. And so I think the devil, you know, uses those fears and the anxiety and the stress to like but if you say that you're going to look less than right and really it builds you up because it's showing that you are not perfect, you are not, you know this person that never makes a mistake and that makes you human Right.

Julio Molina: 9:31

Yeah, so, and I appreciate that. So you know, I guess, what was really going on. So you know I'm having these extreme panic attacks, anxiety, you know I'm. I think I went into the ER in that year like a total of, I want to say maybe three or four times, right, I think maybe close to six, like no exaggeration. And you know I did everything I could, you know, physically, right, I went into a local nutritionist, wanted to make sure that it wasn't anything going on in my physical body, any toxins, like I'm just doing everything that I physically or mentally know how to try to get my body and my mind to slow down.

Julio Molina: 10:18

But what I found out in the process of, you know, going through the healing process, if you will, from anxiety to none, right, because I can't tell you the last, like I can't tell you, hey, on January 31st, at you know, 2.20 in the afternoon, mountain time, I got healed from anxiety.

Julio Molina: 10:41

I just, I can't remember the last time I had it and I can't remember the last time I had it and I can't remember last time it stopped. But what I will say is this is that I and it was an identity situation that God was inviting me into, so I didn't, I didn't know who I was and because of that, you know, I kept trying to search and seek and find, and you know all these different things, um, and that's what kept leading into all the stress, right, when you don't know who you are, you're just, you know, trying to pick and choose. Should I take this job? Should I start this business? You know, you're just, you know, trying to pick and choose. Should I take this job? Should I start this business? You know, you're just, you're lost.

Tammy Hershberger: 11:30

So yeah, yeah, and so tell me about identity. I think of a scripture 2 Corinthians 5, 17,. It says, therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away, behold, the new has come, and I think, because you were obviously saved at this point, right.

Julio Molina: 11:48

Yeah, yeah, you know, we're talking 16, 17 years, yeah.

Tammy Hershberger: 11:53

Yeah, and I think sometimes we get, you know, we find Jesus and we get saved. And then you know, even in school my Bible school, I mean right now we're hammering in on the identity of Christ and who we are and the authority that we have. And because I think, you know, usually when we come to the Lord in repentance, we're so I mean not everybody, but a lot of us are pretty broken or struggling or hurting or sad or whatever, and we just are beat down. And then we hear about this Jesus who's like, okay, this guy, you know, takes our sins away and we become clean and all these things. But then we don't know what to do. We're like, hey, but we still feel yucky, we still, you know, we don't give it over sometimes to the Lord and we keep reminding ourselves who we are in the past and what we've done and we can't be forgiven and all these things. And then we start questioning it and then the devil gets in there and John 1, 12 says but to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. And so it's really good for people listening to dig into who are you as a child of God. What does that mean? What is your righteousness? What does it say about forgiveness? And when we step in that power is when things change. But it sounds like you were not there. You were still just kind of because for you I'm guessing, like you said, the financials were masking the inner work that you needed to do.

Tammy Hershberger: 13:01

For me, my breakdown of like burnout is what I call it. But really when I got into therapy I have a Christian therapist that I go to and there's so much from my past with abuse and neglect, and then like my self-worth and all this stuff, and I started to realize through that inner work, really with the Lord's help, that like I thought I was burned out because of all the work I was doing, which that wasn't helping because I wasn't resting. But at the same time it's like almost 42 years of stuff started just coming out and I didn't even know what it was. I was just broken. And then you start to dig in and realize that like I wrapped my self-worth with my businesses and who I am and I didn't realize who I was as a child of God. And that's when you start to realize like, okay, this is not the surface issue, it's something much deeper, would you agree?

Julio Molina: 13:48

Yeah, 100%. And you know, and as I hear you talk, right like, my last answer was a little scattered. So I am again and this is a new invitation that God has invited me into right to share this side of the testimony. But as I listen to you, right, I'm quietly praying and asking the Holy Spirit for help to make it sure that I communicate what he allowed me to go through. And what I believe is this is I don't know why it happened and, quite honestly, I don't know what happened, but I do know what happened, if that makes sense, right, like, and what I mean by that is I don't I could sit here and and digest and be like whoa, it happened because I didn't know who I was, or it happened because I was really stressful, stressed out about money, or it happened because of, you know, drug addiction, or it happened because of a, you know, since I was a kid, or whatever. But what's important is what happened in the midst of that trial and tribulation, and what happened was what god said, right, right and the, the, the, how important and crucial the Holy Spirit was, that loud whisper in my heart in the middle of the most intense panic attacks and anxiety attacks. I mean, I remember going on a walk once and when all this was going on and you know you're just doing it, I'm doing anything I can to just slow it down. Right, walks, you know anything. And so I went on a walk and just the Holy Spirit just asked me a question from the father and he just said why are you so afraid to die? And as I'm on the walk and I'm like, well, I'm looking around and I'm going, I'm searching my heart, I'm going, well, god, I think I think it's because, like, if I leave, I leave. I haven't done. You know, I haven't set my family up. You know I haven't done anything for my kids. Like, you know, I'm going to leave them, they're still going to be in debt. Like I haven't, I guess I haven't set them up, so I can't leave.

Julio Molina: 16:19

Like, okay, well then, if I gave you an opportunity to live, what would you do with it? Right? So then then I answered him in in a very honest question and I wrote these things down. And that is the reason, and that is my reason, for living now, right, so, um, and they're very specific things that are backed up by scripture, right, like one, I was like well, lord, you know, if you gave me an opportunity to live long, I would. I would, you know, love my wife. Yeah, that's, that's biblical. Love your wife, as christ loved the church. Yes, I would, I would. I would make sure that my kids know you. Yes, that's biblical. Like train your kids in the ways of the Lord so when they get older they don't depart from me. Yes, that's biblical. And then I'm like then I would, you know, take care of my parents as much as I could, as long as they live. Okay, yeah, that's biblical. Like honor thy mother and thy father, right? And then all things will go well with you, depending on the translation that you read.

Julio Molina: 17:32

And then the last one, I was like, and then I'm like then I think I would do something for your kingdom, but I just don't know what, right. And he was like I just heard this very clearly Like that's the problem you don't know, you're lost, right? So then I? Then, for me, it was like okay, then, then then what? Like you know, help me find a place. So then, for me, I'm like okay, then then the prayer should be help me find a place in your kingdom, right? What do I do? And that led me into this identity, discovery of who am I?

Julio Molina: 18:17

Not your typical biblical things that we hear from pulpits. Right, like you know, you're a masterpiece. You're wonderfully and fearfully made and you know he knew you before you were in your mother's womb and all these things are good. I'm not knocking them, but you need to be able to hear for you from god. What does he specifically say about you? So I just wanted to highlight that because it just bear witness in my heart to be like it's not as the why is not as important as what and what happened was is everything that God said to me and the things that the Holy Spirit taught me. That's like exciting to me still to this day.

Tammy Hershberger: 19:07

I mean, I have to say one thing, though, because I think you, or at least were a believer and you were smart enough to to find out what is going on, because sometimes I think that pause that, that whatever you want to call it, that lapse that, whatever that brought you to your knees, kind of right like to the panic attack stage of like something has to get your attention, and a lot of people are too busy and not spending time in the lord or not even knowing who the lord is, and they don't even know. They just think, oh, I have panic attacks, I'm gonna have these the rest of my life, right, or I have anxiety, or I have depression or whatever, and I think it's. You have to give yourself a little credit, though, that you knew enough in your spirit to dig into like what is this? This is not normal, it's not something I have to live with, right, would you? Would you agree on that?

Julio Molina: 19:46

yeah, 100. And you know, again, as I, as I looked at some of the questions that you sent me, you know, one of the the questions was like, you know, it was really the the best way I can answer it like how did you, you know, how did you know how to kind of deal with this or whatever the case might be, and it's like that because of what I learned going to church and the church that I was going to at the time was big on, you know, declaring and speaking the word over you and you know, getting in the word, getting in the word. So when that, you know, the very first time I experienced anxiety you're talking, you know, 12 plus years ago, the very first time I experienced it I remember the pastor that I had at the time had mentioned something along the lines of from the pulpit that him and his wife were going through a um, believing God for a miracle, and he literally took the Bible, the physical Bible, and stood on top of the Bible and said, god, I am standing on your word, and was having a prayer session with God and was saying I am standing on your word and believe in that you're going to work all things for our good and your glory. So the first time I experienced it, I literally took the Bible, went into my bathroom, took my shoes off and I said Lord. I literally said I'm sorry if I'm, you know, disrespecting you, but I'm going to do what I heard my pastor say because I just believe that this will work. At this time I literally I stood on the Bible and I said I'm standing on your word, I'm standing on Psalm 91, that I will not fear, like you know what I mean. So it was, it was the seeds. This is why it's so important.

Julio Molina: 21:40

My point is is this that I believe you know the Holy Spirit wanted me to share is that this is why it's so important to go to church. One of the reasons, because there are seeds that are going to be planted in you for when a time of trial and tribulation does come, does come, and, as you know, we've lived long enough and are aware of many testimonies in the world, even by you know, faithful Christian leaders who've been serving the Lord for 45 plus years, that a trial and tribulation will come. But when it does come, you will react based off of what you have heard heard, because that seed that's been planted in you will bear fruit right.

Tammy Hershberger: 22:30

So yes, yeah, I think I agree with you. So you have to have your heart fertile. It needs to be, you know, not hard pack ground. So you need to have your heart open to hearing the word of God. You need to get that seed sown in you so it can start to sprout correct, and then you need to, like you said, get in the word. You need to have your heart open to hearing the word of God. You need to get that seed sown in you so it can start to sprout correct, and then you need to, like you said, get in the word. You need to have your mind right. You need to renew your mind to not what the world says, but what does the Bible say.

Tammy Hershberger: 22:54

I thought of a couple of scriptures while you're talking. One is Isaiah 41, 10. So do not fear, for I am with you. Do not be dismayed, for I'm your God. I will strengthen you and help you. I uphold you with my righteous hand. Another one I like is Psalms 34, 17. The righteous cry out and the Lord hears them. He delivers them from all their troubles. The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. But if you don't spend time in the word yourself, reading your Bible, getting into church, listening to sermons. You won't know the scriptures to stand on, like you said, in those trials. Right, there's scriptures about financials, there's scriptures about God's love. There's so many scriptures in there that you can stand on and use to fight against the fear, the worry, the stress. You know what the devil is telling you, but if you don't know those, you can't use them.

Julio Molina: 23:49

Yeah, and you know, what I'm just hearing in my heart right now as we talk is this um, when I answered back to the lord, when he asked me on the walk, why are you so afraid to die? And I gave him biblical answers in my heart. Yeah, that's a good answer. Right, I had peace about those answers that I gave them because they were biblical answers. But what I'm hearing in my heart right now is I thought it was up to me and it's like God will grant me a long life Not so I can check those things, though they're biblical, but God will grant me a long life because he wants me to experience him here on earth for as long as possible.

Julio Molina: 24:42

And some of these things that I worried about, like honoring my parents, taking care of them, because I, you know, I'm mexican and in our normal mexican cultures, you take care of your parents when you get older, especially, you know, especially us, being coming from, you know mexico and being an immigrant family, like it's what you do. Especially one of the children, or you know the, you know one of the boys, has experienced some type of success. Like you take care of your parents, like literally, like physically and financially, the whole works, like you move them in with you, like the whole nine. So I was so worried about that that God was like I'm their provider, like I will take care of them. So now, three years later and we talked a little bit about this in the first episode that the amount of you know wages that my dad is earning with our window washing business has allowed him to take care of some of the things in their home and in their life that I was so worried about making it happen for them.

Tammy Hershberger: 25:54

Yeah, he loves them just as much as you. I mean, you hit it on the head with God as their provider. I'm going to add this really quickly I had an experience with a bar. Now we were kind of slow. It was slow for a while and I was starting to worry about money a little bit, and because the machine the bigger it gets, the more money you need. And there was a point where I was like, man, I don't want to lay people off because I have the best workers and I don't know what I'm supposed to do. And I literally heard the Lord say to me that you are not their provider, I am. And so when I got that pressure off of myself right even in my marriage I'm like my husband's my provider, but not really. The lord is like we. He will find work to do and he'll do what the lord tells him, but the lord is the one who provides. He provides the customers, he provides the income, the paychecks, whatever. That is huge, julio, that you got that yeah, and so again, it's the what's important.

Julio Molina: 26:45

Is that what happened? You know, I, I, I could you know through professional help and a lot of research and data or just a lot of you know, even just seeking the Lord, I, I'm sure I could get insight as to why these extreme anxiety and panic attacks happen. And, like visits to the er and everything that was going, I literally lost like 35 pounds in like 30 days. Like it was so severe. I was like 15 pounds lighter than I was in my high school years, like I was, I was not doing at all and but what happened is this again, this identity discovery of this is who you are, but this is who I am, and then that allows me to live peacefully. Right, and I think I mentioned this in the last episode that we had together, or it might have been in our conversation afterwards. That, I think, probably led into the second invitation, which I appreciate, is that one of the things that the Holy Spirit showed me in the book of Job about a month ago and spending about three, four weeks in the book, is that the enemy has two tactics, two strategies when trials and tribulations come your way, and that is to distort your identity and to distort the identity of God in your life. So when this situation happened three years ago and I'm experiencing what I just shared I first started to, of course, doubt God, right, why me? Same response that Job had. Like, literally, I didn't know this right three years ago, because I think I read the book of Job once when I first got saved. And then I just didn't go this right three years ago because I think I read the book of Job once when I first got saved and then I just didn't go back to it again because it's a pretty crazy book, right. But in the last couple of months and what the Holy Spirit has shown me now I have a new perspective on the book of Job. Now I'm not afraid to read the book of Job, as if, like, I am expecting trouble. No, no, no, it is what the Holy Spirit showed me again is about that identity. When I was going through what I was going through, I started to doubt God. I'm like, why me? Right. And then, second, I started to then beat myself up. Well, it's because of you, it's because you can't sit still, it's because you can't figure out what you want in life, it's because you know you keep making bad financial decisions, right, and you see, job Job did this In the first trial.

Julio Molina: 29:24

He blames God and says God gives, it giveth and God taketh. Well, that's not true. Half of it is true. He gives, but he doesn't take away. But the good thing about that is that the scripture says that he did not sin against God when he blamed God. So then, this allows us to, it gives us freedom, it gives us peace. Excuse me, to know that the human nature, whenever we come against a trial, tribulation, whenever we come against trouble or we're struggling in life, and if one of our responses is we start blaming God or doubting him, he's not offended. Is my point. He understands. This is a human nature response.

Julio Molina: 30:08

The second response of Job he then now starts blaming himself of Job. He then now starts blaming himself. He even says things like he wishes that the day he was conceived would be erased. What he even says, that he, in a different translation, that he hated his life. And I literally experienced both of those things. But the beauty of it was this Now you know hindsight, 2020, literally just almost a couple of months ago, tammy, I just got this freedom in my heart from you know what it seemed like a two and a half, almost a four, three year season, and it was this three year season and it was this.

Julio Molina: 31:00

I started reading the book of Job, in chapter 32, about a couple of months ago. I was just led there. I hesitated a little bit because, again, I told you about the perspective I had of the book. I'm like, oh man, like is God trying to, the Holy Spirit trying to show me that drought was coming? So I'm in the book and from 32 to 35, we see a fourth man in the book and it was a young man and the Bible says that he waited patiently for Job and his three friends to be done, talking and basically trying to give a conclusion or opinion as to why Job went through what he went through and why God did what he did. Quote unquote.

Julio Molina: 31:43

Now, when you read this, you go, wow, like, first of all, you respect the guy because he says, hey, you guys are older than me, so I needed to wait. So you know you respect the guy and you go well, okay, than me, so I needed to wait. So you know you respect the guy and you go well, okay, that's, you know you're being honorable. And then you listen to his response and you go, well, that's a very well crafted summary of everything that was said. Like that makes sense. Like in in a court of law, you'd be like, oh yeah, like you know, uh, he won the case right. Like, yeah, you beat him in the argument. But when I read that, the Holy Spirit, when I got done reading his response, the Holy Spirit just said to me, yeah, but that's not actually what happened. And he reminded me of chapter one in the book of Job. And what happened? Was this a joke? And what happened was this Satan comes before the presence of God with members of the heavenly court, which we talked about this in the phone call that after our podcast, our first podcast episode.

Julio Molina: 32:50

I'm like you know, I have some questions as to why these members of the heavenly court will let this guy come with. You know, I'm like they know I have some questions as to why these members of the heavenly court will let this guy come with. You know, they should have just closed the door and let them outside the van. Yeah, but he comes before the presence of the Lord and the Bible says that God asked Satan what have you been up to? What are you doing, depending on the translation that you read?

Julio Molina: 33:13

And Satan replies back to him I've been basically roaming around and seeing what's going on on the earth, which is biblical, because he's looking, you know, he's roaming around like a lion, looking who he may devour, and then God brings up Job. Brings up Job and tells him who Job is, right, he's the finest man in all the earth, and all these different things. And then Satan replies back to him and says well, the only reason why he's faithful is because everything he does prospers. A different translation says he can't lose. And then after that, god says, quote unquote green light. Right, have Adam, but you can't harm him.

Julio Molina: 34:01

Here's why I'm sharing this with you and with those that are listening, because what happened was in that it was very simple. God said something nice about Job to Satan. That was the whole genesis of the tribulation. That was all. However, it had nothing to do with who Job was. He was the finest man on the earth. I mean, the guy was blameless. Why? Why would god decide to attack him if he was doing evil, if that was a character, a part of god's character, which is not true?

Tammy Hershberger: 34:50

yeah, he wouldn't.

Julio Molina: 34:51

And then you know what I mean, like this guy's blameless. And so, in me reading this and and having communion with the holy spirit, I'm like you couldn't depict like somebody else, you know like a, like like somebody who's sinning and just killing folks. That would have been more convenient, right, um, so anyways. But, um, he said something nice about Job to Satan. So it wasn't because anything Job had done or who he was. So we see Job's response the second time about himself. It has nothing to do with you. The evil or the trials and tribulations you're experiencing is not because of you, because God thought highly of Job. And then watch this and then second it had nothing to do with God's character, because God only gives, he's only good. So then, what's the purpose? The purpose is, as I'm talking to you right now, quite honestly I haven't gotten this far in the revelation, but as I'm talking to you, when you read the book of Job, job actually starts talking back to God and to his friends and says something along the lines of like you know bad, good and bad come from you know from god, or if they don't, then where does it come from? Again, I'm condensing the translations. Right, I'm not quoting exactly, but but it's in the book.

Julio Molina: 36:25

Here's my point, when I read that I'm going wait a minute, wait a minute. You had never experienced evil in your life, so you didn't even know where evil could come from, because you didn't even know what it was. Does that make sense? Like he had never experienced planting a seed and not growing? Mm-hmm, he had never experienced, you know, starting a business and not flourishing. Like because the Bible says he can't lose. But here's the other thing I believe that bears witness to share with everyone. That was what I'm grateful for. I believe that Joe did not know God. He, he, he might have known about him, but he did not know God.

Julio Molina: 37:36

You're saying in the sense that he didn't know the true character of God.

Tammy Hershberger: 37:41

Well, is that what you're saying?

Julio Molina: 37:44

You don't, trials and tribulations will allow you to be in such communion with the Father that it gives you an opportunity to really know him. Like somebody can quote you scripture until you're blue in the face. But I am talking about like unknowing, you know. It's kind of like in your marriage or in friends, right. Like you don't know who your friends are until you go through a hard time and you're like, oh, you know, this guy was gonna punch me in the face but then this guy took the punch from me. Oh, like I can trust you. Yeah, so I, he, he, he didn't know god. Like, really, really know god.

Julio Molina: 38:26

If you, if you knew god, you would have never said out of your mouth he give it and he takes, takes it, he taken. Yeah, you would have never said that. Because if, if I, you know, if I would to spend, you know, five, ten years with you, tammy, like you know, on a day-to-day basis, and if somebody would have come up to me and say, you know, tammy's really stingy, and I'd say, no, she's not, she's a giver, right? So why am I sharing all this? Because I spent a lot of time and, I think, a lot of the turmoil and stress and anxiety that was happening while anxiety is happening. Which is crazy, is that I was trying to figure out why, and the moment I embraced the trial and tribulation, it allowed me to focus on the what, and what was happening was. It was an invitation from God to allow me to know who he was and who I am. And that's a very it's easier said than done.

Julio Molina: 39:47

When you are and for those who are listening, if you've experienced, you know, anxiety, depression, panic attacks, any of those things I it's very easy for me to say that now, because I'm healed, right, I'm past that, but what I can say is that hopefully that is that gives you hope, right, that it is so possible to get to that point where there's this invitation from the Lord to know who he is and to know who you are, and when you stop spending time on the why, oh man, like because the enemy wants to keep you there. Why does it happen? Is it you? Is it God? Is it you? Is it God? Is it you? It's none of those things. It's just simply that God said something nice to Satan about you and he permitted it, but the outcome would be is that you are going to know God in such a way, friend, like you've never had before.

Tammy Hershberger: 40:57

I really think too, and some of that, if I can interject really quickly, is you know, sometimes I think, like you said, you don't want to get focused on the why, because I mean even my own struggles I've experienced. It's like I I saying I try to figure it out for myself, right, like I need to get another loan, I need to just do this, I need to do that, and I tried to fix it, instead of turning myself to the Lord and say, okay, and that's what happened to me in my bottom. I think that's why it got so bad for me, cause I, I just kept trying to do it myself, find another way, cause I'm a fixer, and instead I had to give it to him. And that's when my freedom and my help started to come, because we as people, try to do it ourselves, and when you give it to the lord, right he take, he'll step in, he will take care of you, he will help you.

Tammy Hershberger: 41:44

Because we get ourselves in our own messes and then sometimes we run to the lord like, please, daddy, fix it. But it's like you maybe got to fix yourself, get yourself to the point of, like, really trusting the lord and really opening yourself up to what god has, because there's been things he's told me that I was like I don't really want to do that, um, but I did it and it worked and it made my life so much more peaceful and calm. Does that resonate?

Julio Molina: 42:07

yeah, 100, and you know what's. What's so interesting is that what I thought was is not what was.

Tammy Hershberger: 42:30

Yeah, it wasn't just money.

Julio Molina: 42:33

Yeah, and Job, I'm telling you, the book of Job literally will expose to you the human experience of an encounter with a trial and tribulation in your life, with trouble. There's a time where a friend responds back to Job and says if you get your character right, then God will restore you. That sounds good, really good, but it's half true. And when you listen, if you listen carefully and you read carefully, you kind of see that there's sarcasm in the way that this friend is saying it, which you also have to be careful, very, very careful about and take inventory of the friends that you're around.

Julio Molina: 43:35

Because, if half of it is true. Yes, god will restore folks. Yes, but the first one if you get your character right. Wait a minute, this is in like chapter 10 or 12, somewhere in there. In chapter one, the Bible says that he was blameless, he had perfect character, he was a man of integrity. Why would you tell your friend that? That sounds like the enemy planting a seed of doubt. So I, in what you just said. Here's what, going back to the, what the holy spirit allowed me to. He taught me to ask god questions instead of questioning him.

Julio Molina: 44:23

Whenever trials or tribulations or any trouble or any inconvenience or any uncomfortable situations or seasons come in my life like this, if I let you say, I hypothetically get a flat tire, the most common response of a human being and I'm done it. Why, why me? Why right now? I gotta go to work, I gotta go pick up my kid or I gotta go do this. Why me? Why right, like really god, that questioning god, asking god questions, would look like the same scenario. God, what do you want me to see in this moment? What do you want me to know? What do you want me to hear? Who do you want me to help? What do you want me to do, because you permitted this, so that that that gentle interruption or your divine plan for my life, because you, you will, you, you did this with jesus you will turn everything for our good in your glory. The enemy had no idea that that god had jesus in his mind. No idea, no, no idea. He's like oh shoot, oh, I thought I won, but oh man, no, I guess I was conquered. Oh, that failed. So in that scenario, right like I would encourage those who are listening that if you've experienced any trials or tribulations in your life, friend, a health diagnosis, the C word, cancer you know something in your heart or in your brain or in your mind, or you know anxiety or panic attacks or your business or whatever you would classify as trouble or trials and tribulations or struggle. I would just invite you, friend, to ask God questions, not question him. And that invitation that the Holy Spirit invited me into, that I'm extending to you today, will allow you to see the what God wants you to see. And I'll give you a very practical testimony to this Because I work in the car business.

Julio Molina: 46:47

I understand that you know keeping your cars in good shape and having a car having an accident on the car faax, you know, could drop the value of the vehicle. So I always kept my cars in good shape and keep them clean and whatever you know, if you want to trade them in and you know you have, you're actually telling them the truth. Like, hey, I baby this thing, it's been kept clean, like you can put it in your showroom so and you're able to get more money for it because it's valuable and it's true. Well, last year I ended up getting I got rear-ended in one of my cars. So I get rear-ended at like 30, 35 miles an hour. Now I'm being honest with you.

Julio Molina: 47:27

Yeah, my response was like really, god, that's literally what I said. But then I said what do you? I put this into practice, what do you want me to see? What do you want me to know? What do you want me to do in this moment? And he, he, he then speaks to my heart and says I need you to tell the guy who hit you that he needs to go back to church, like very specifically. So I, we're talking, we've already exchanged licenses and information and all that, so I'm waiting to hear from the Holy spirit. A few minutes go by and then I hear this. So then I go up to him and I say hey, man, I just want to let you know. You know, I'm not mad at you, but I just really feel in my heart that I'm supposed to tell you. You're supposed to go back to church.

Julio Molina: 48:13

He's like oh man, I know I just got out of jail. That guy didn't even have a driver's license. I just got out of jail. My grandma's been telling me I need to go back to church. My mom's been telling me I need to go back to church.

Julio Molina: 48:29

So asking God more questions rather than questioning him allows you to come on somebody. Thank you, holy Spirit Allows you to have an experience the encounter that God wants you, the collision that he wants to actually happen. It would allow you to experience that. So, rather than me being like questioning God and being upset about my car, again, it's going to get fixed.

Julio Molina: 48:57

Yeah, there's going to be some temporary inconvenience, like I'm probably not going to have a car for a week until it's in the shop, but they're going to give me a rental. Like I'm probably going to have to pay a deductible. Like there's all these inconveniences, right, but if I focused on blaming God or asking God or questioning Him, it completely takes my mind off of wait a minute. In the middle of that trial and tribulation, of the inconvenience, there was an encounter that God wanted to happen and the response from that guy who hit me, talking back to me and saying, yes, my grandma and my mom have been telling me to go back to church. That feeling, that feeling it is you. I can't even express in words how it compares to the feeling of why that I get hit in the inconvenience of it. The joy of that, of encountering God in a trial and tribulation, is so worth it compared to anything else, right?

Tammy Hershberger: 50:14

So hopefully that encourages somebody on the podcast to ask God more questions rather than questioning him and embracing and knowing that he permitted it and if he permitted it, there's an invitation to an encounter with him and the fact that you were obedient and you actually talked to that gentleman, because you could have just been hyped up, worked up, annoyed, you know, hurrying along, got to get to work or whatever, instead you actually took the time to talk with him. And so obedience is huge too, I think, because we get so busy and we don't listen, and whatever happened to get you in that situation. I'm just glad that you took that time. You listened to the Holy Spirit.

Julio Molina: 50:50

Yeah, and I think you know well I don't think I'm sorry I I believe that christianity has taken a turn from certain pulpits, certain pulpits to communicate to the people that accepting jesus in your heart and walking with god and following jesus and living a quote-unquote christ, following lifellowing life, that it's not going to be all flowers and butterflies and paradise, and I think a lot of times people didn't want to say that because it gave room or a voice to evil or a, you know, an evil expectation in your life. But here's what I believe my heart would be for folks based off of, because, by the way, this anxiety and panic attack season that I had in my life it's not just anxiety, there is a mental warfare that you can't even explain like it is so intense. But what is important is, can I pass on to people what the holy spirit taught me of how to go through it when it happened? And, friend, trials and tribulations will happen. I wish I promised you part of the reason why I was so upset when I experienced it was because I which, by the way, I'm kind of a perfectionist by nature, so I, I want, I wanted life to be perfect in my expectation of life caused a very, very uncomfortable frustration in my spiritual life. So I'll what I want to do, in the name of Jesus right, is to just pass on to you the how to get through that. That's what's important.

Julio Molina: 53:05

What do you do when you get a diagnosis? What do you do when your child gets murdered for an unjustly you know reason, like some of these really, really serious trials and tribulation encounters, don't be afraid to know that they may come. Be encouraged that the Holy Spirit will encounter you there so you can get through it. And the communion you will have, the relationship you will have with the Lord when you go through it, and the communion you will have, the relationship you will have with the Lord when you go through it. While you're going through it, it's going to be like nothing you've ever experienced before. So when people ask why do you go to church or why do you believe in God, it's not because you go to church. It's not even because of what you've seen God do. It's because of what you encountered personally when nobody was around, right? So hopefully those that are listening are encouraged to know that there is a way of how to go through when you're in the middle of that trial and tribulation.

Tammy Hershberger: 54:17

Yeah, I want to really touch, or quickly touch on the strongholds of the mind man. We've been digging into that a lot in school lately and there's a scripture, 2 Corinthians 10, 3,. It says for though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of flesh, but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God and take every thought captive to obey Christ. It's because the devil, the only power he has, is deception, right, that's the only thing he can do. He is not good at anything else. And so when he gets in your head and he just starts to, first thing he does is he kills, steals and destroys, right, it's what the Bible says. And so if you think about that, he's going to get in your head and he's going to tell you all the lies that he has. He's going to go against the word of God. He wants you to start doubting God. You know, I am not saved, I am not forgiven, I am not redeemed, I am not all these things that the Lord says I am, because then you start to get those thoughts going. And once you get those thoughts going. That is a slippery slope, right, because that's how I mean people. I know that I've regressed back into drinking. It's like they've told themselves so many times that they're they're an addict and they're never going to change and I'm going to have this the rest of my life. Now you may have that temptation. Your flesh is there. Your flesh does not change. But the more you dig into the word they were talking about that recently, how our flesh does not change we as believers think that, like, once we have the Lord, the flesh is going to be so easy. We're not going to want these things. The flesh doesn't change. The flesh still wants the bad stuff. But your spirit and what you've put in your heart and those seeds, they take over.

Tammy Hershberger: 55:50

And, trust me, this is going to probably sound stupid to you and I. This is going to probably sound stupid to you, and I don't even know if you know who I'm talking about. But when I was younger I liked ACDC a lot and I remember talking to this Christian friend of mine and he was like I would never go to that concert and I was like, uh, you're crazy, I would always go. I would never imagine myself not going, and not that they're necessarily a bad band. The mute though I like, the music, the lyrics are terrible. Um, now, at this day and age, just through time and spending time with the Lord and getting to know the Lord and changing myself, I would not go because I don't want to confess some of the stuff that they're saying. And so it's like a natural progression of like the more you get God in you, the more your life will change, the less you want that fleshly stuff. I mean, have you ever experienced that?

Julio Molina: 56:43

that. Oh man, um, yeah, I mean, one of the biggest strongholds, mental struggles I had clearly was that I thought it was all up to me, that I thought, and because of that you think that you're the problem. So you know, again there's a friend of Job, responds back to Job and says you know, if you do this and if you do that, then you'll be right. And it's like when I read that, I'm like Holy Spirit, I've been believing that lie for so many years. I've been trying to fix myself since I accepted Jesus so I can place myself in a position where he can bless me. That's literally been one of the biggest like you know, strongholds in my life Like it's not and the whole time God's like. You know I'm just Using this as an example the whole time God's like, but you're blameless and I'm like, and I've been, you know, for 15-16 years.

Julio Molina: 57:46

I believed a lie Since I accepted Jesus, that I needed to fix Myself so that I can be placed in a position where God can bless me. And this last season that I went through in my life, the trial and tribulation and the way that it manifested itself and the way that God permitted it, allowed me by the grace of the living God allowed me to be free from that lie and that answer came two months ago. Now it got better day by day, yeah, but there wasn't full, full peace internally, full, full, full peace internally. And to have that, that peace now, that I am encouraged now to know that what I went through is because God said something nice about me to Satan. And I am curious to know, on a daily basis, what do you say about me? What did you say?

Julio Molina: 59:01

Not the common things I hear from the pulpit, but what do you say I want to hear from your mouth Something that's not even in scripture. If it could right which we know that he won't talk outside of his word. But yeah, I agree with you, um, 110, those, those mental strongholds are. So again, friend, I just man, like I literally want to just go until I. I have no more breath, tammy and I, and I know, you know, we are crunched on time yeah but I just but here's what my desire is.

Julio Molina: 59:35

I literally just want to just keep talking or preaching and just communicating to people that there's a beauty in the triumvirate, and I'm trying to do my best to listen to the Holy Spirit to say what can I give to my brothers and sisters? Because I know what it was like to be in that dark, Like I literally seen the light, like my heart rate got like up to like 32 beats per minute, Like there was, there was I, and I know what that's like to be there. So I just want to tell folks, like I just want to tell them it's possible to get out, but that's so cliche. I want to actually tell you how the Holy Spirit taught me to get out and how to go through.

Tammy Hershberger: 1:00:26

Will you explain that real quick, because I know we are close on time here. Can you just give them a couple things that like maybe a new believer or someone that's obviously struggling? Like what would you say to your best friend right now if they said hey, julio, I'm really struggling here. What would your little advice be to them I shouldn't even say little, that demeans it what is that powerful advice that you would give to them to say okay, this is what you need to do.

Julio Molina: 1:00:49

First thing I would tell them is this I have good news for you. One it has nothing to do with you, which means it has nothing to do with what you have done in the past that you think has put you in this situation. It has nothing to do with you. Second, god does not have an ounce of evil in him. As a matter of fact, he doesn't think about evil.

Julio Molina: 1:01:27

Like it doesn't make sense to him. Here's what I mean. A few weeks back we went to go shoot a music video and with a friend and the studio we went to it's a music music, it's a video shooting studio. Before we went there it was him and his wife. His wife directed the video and written the script and everything like that. She said to us hey, before we go in there, I just want to let you know it's a secular place. They do film pornography in there.

Julio Molina: 1:02:00

So if this has been a stumbling block for you or any of you, I just need you to let me know in advance so that I can either a have them block it, if they can, b just not go in those rooms, or you, you know, whatever. So when we went in there, I just had this realization. This revelation just hit me. I'm like, wait a minute, people are still sinning today, and here's what that means. I have been so much in the spirit that I literally was like oblivious to sin. So when I say I, I'm not giving myself credit. It's been the holy spirit doing the work.

Julio Molina: 1:02:46

But here's why I use that example god, it doesn't even compute to god Like evil, like what he couldn't do it, he couldn't even think it. So it's not you and it's not God. Third, because it's ask, ask god, god. What do you want me to know in this moment? That's it. That's, that's, honestly, what I would say if there was a friend of mine to answer your question. If there was a friend of mine struggling with life, what do I do? Just know it's not you, know, it's not God, and just ask him questions. What do you want me to know? What do you want me to see?

Tammy Hershberger: 1:03:50

To add a scripture to that last line, because then I think you just need to be patient and listen to what the Lord's telling you and be open. And sometimes it's you know something. Maybe you don't want to hear or you're like, oh, I don't really want to do that, but maybe you need to listen. So it's Psalms 27, 13. I remain confident of this I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord, be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Hulu, do you have anything else to say before we wrap this up?

Julio Molina: 1:04:17

I mean, I know we could talk forever but you got a business to run.

Julio Molina: 1:04:23

Yeah well, you know, what I would say is you know, first, you know, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to come back and talk about this topic. You know, second, what I would say is, to anybody listening, I would ask that you would comment on the Facebook post of Light Up your Business podcast, on the platforms where you can comment and just share with us what did you hear God say to you in this episode? You know, what did he say to you in the situation that you're currently in, or possibly anything that you've gone through in the past? And you know, I guess the last thing is, if is is, if I, you know, if you could allow me just, you know, a few, a few minutes to just pray for for those who are listening, you know, I would appreciate that.

Tammy Hershberger: 1:05:25

Absolutely the floor is yours.

Julio Molina: 1:05:37

Holy Spirit, there's so much I would like to say, but what's more important here is what you want your people to hear, what you want to speak to them. And, holy Spirit, you were with me in that very dark time that I am learning how to articulate and communicate to your people. Heavenly Father, I'm asking, I'm petitioning you, sir, that you would provide everything that you provided to me personally that allowed me to go through the season, that allowed me to hear, that allowed me to listen. I thank you for the gift of the Holy Spirit and if there's been any, if there are any brothers and sisters listening who have not received that baptism or that baptism of the Holy Spirit, heavenly Father, I'm asking that, through a divine appointment, that they would desire to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Because it is you, holy Spirit. It is because of you and because of you that I am where I am today. That I am where I am today.

Julio Molina: 1:06:56

You were that loud whisper in my heart that allowed me to go through that anxiety, those panic attacks, the low heartbeat, the palpitations of the heart.

Julio Molina: 1:07:06

It was your whisper, it was your words. It was literally you picking me up from underneath my arms, if you will, and saying get up and let's do it one more time. So I pray and I hope that people would desire you through listening to this podcast, because it is because of you, friend, that I'm able to experience the freedom and the peace that I have now. And I just ask, last but not least, heavenly Father, that you would continue to bless Tammy in this podcast. I thank you for continuing to guide her steps. I thank you for placing her in the right place at the right time, with the right people doing and saying the right things. Thank you for divine appointments. Thank you for allowing her to be courageous and to share what's in her heart and what's in her mind when she comes and encounters different people in Bible school or any encounter, and continue to bless her business In Jesus' name, amen and amen, amen.

Tammy Hershberger: 1:08:05

Julio, it's such a pleasure having you on. I just love talking to you and I believe strongly. I'm praying for you and your business, your family. I think there's amazing things on the line for you. I love that you're putting videos out. I'm seeing them on Facebook. I'm sharing them. Do you want to tell people how to get a hold of you on Facebook or to find you or any other platforms you have?

Julio Molina: 1:08:23

Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. So Facebook is Julio Molina. You know it's my personal Facebook. And then it would be Window Washing, rochester, minnesota. All one word on Facebook for Window Washing business we just launched a. We just opened our Instagram page for Window Washing R-N. As in mom N, as in Nancy, you'll look forward to more content there and that content is going to be very it's going to be a journey type content where I'm going to allow people to see what God is doing in our business and how he's building it. And then, yeah, so that's how they can get a hold of me and I post videos on. You know, when I'm led to and when I feel like I got a word that that his people would want to hear or need to hear, um, then I'll post it on there.

Tammy Hershberger: 1:09:22

Yeah, I mean we need to be the ones, we need to be the light of the world, right For those that are in the dark. And I appreciate you stepping up. I mean it's it's hard when you're growing a business and yet you're still willing to help others, and that's how God's going to bless you, I believe, because you've got a heart for people.

Julio Molina: 1:09:38

Yeah, I appreciate that and yeah, it's fun.

Tammy Hershberger: 1:09:41

Yeah Well, thank you all for listening. Remember to like, subscribe, share. If you want to send me an email, it's lightupyourbusinessllc at gmailcom. Like Julio said, comment on our post. We'd love to hear how God's working in your life or reach out if you have questions or you have an episode idea. And we thank you all. We'll see you next time and remember, in the world of business, every success story begins with a passionate dream and ends with a strategic billion dollar handshake. Stay ambitious, stay innovative and keep making those deals that reshape tomorrow. Thank you all for tuning in and until next time remember. Proverbs 3, 3 says let love and faithfulness never leave you. Bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. That way you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man. And remember if you like what you heard today, click the follow button so you never miss an episode.